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| Ray Fischer 2004-12-29, 7:07 pm |
| Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote:
>Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today.
You're an idiot.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Daniel Kolle 2004-12-29, 7:07 pm |
| On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:09:49 GMT, Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net>
thought hard and said:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
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>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...24/ixworld.html
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>Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
>government must act.
Ah, yes, let us save those poor little Christians. Never mind that
they make up at least 3/4ths of the population and are free to do
whatever the hell they want as long as it does not infringe on the
rights of other people.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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"Tchernobog" <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
> government must act.
How can I get in on the action?
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The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an atheist flea.
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:09:49 GMT, Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net>
> thought hard and said:
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> Ah, yes, let us save those poor little Christians. Never mind that
> they make up at least 3/4ths of the population and are free to do
> whatever the hell they want as long as it does not infringe on the
> rights of other people.
That's the problem Daniel. They are being denied the right to infringe
on the rights of others. How dare we insists that they leave us alone?
jwk
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| Loose Cannon 2004-12-29, 7:07 pm |
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"Tchernobog" <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...24/ixworld.html
> Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
> government must act.
LOL. "Tcherbobog" AKA Gactipuss, certified neocon wingnut bigot, hates
government unless *he* wants it to do something.
What a phony.
LC~ Looks like Santa has brought yet another new sock for Gac/Snupid.
"Who wants to be black?
The answer is no one.
Property value goes DOWN...
Their daughters go DOWN...
Having more babies than a genetics lab...
Sons on street corner selling heroine and craaaaaaaack...
Drive-by's...
Crime goes up 200%..."
Gactipuss, Kompassionate Kristian Konservative, in
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| Weatherwax 2004-12-29, 7:07 pm |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Daniel Kolle wrote:
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> That's the problem Daniel. They are being denied the right
> to infringe on the rights of others. How dare we insists that
> they leave us alone?
> jwk
I wouldn't mind Christians infringing on my rights if I was allowed to
infringe on theirs. If we are going to mint coins which say "In God We
Trust", let's mint a few which says, "There Is No God"?
Other religions should have the same rights. A judge should be able to hang
up a sign in his courtroom saying, "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad
is his prophet."
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Wax
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| On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:09:49 GMT, Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net>
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>Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
>government must act.
Posted to,
alt.abortion,alt.bible,alt.world,alt.bible.prophecy,soc.culture.usa,rec.arts.sf.written,alt.atheism,alt.fan.air-america,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
How about we change the persecuation to trolls instead?
Tak
a#344
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| Clayton The Fat Man Who Cums But Once A Year 2004-12-29, 7:07 pm |
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"Tchernobog" <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
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> Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
> government must act.
Yeah...and what about them poor KKK members....when they try to hang uppity
blacks, the blacks kick and fight back against them and their hoods and
white clothes get all dirty. The KKK are being persecuted by those evil
black people all the time!!!
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| Gactimus 2004-12-29, 7:07 pm |
| "Clayton The Fat Man Who Cums But Once A Year"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymail.com> wrote in
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> "Tchernobog" <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah...and what about them poor KKK members....when they try to hang
> uppity blacks, the blacks kick and fight back against them and their
> hoods and white clothes get all dirty. The KKK are being persecuted by
> those evil black people all the time!!!
You are comparing Christians to the KKK?
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| The Other Kim 2004-12-30, 2:07 am |
| "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> "Clayton The Fat Man Who Cums But Once A Year"
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> You are comparing Christians to the KKK?
News flash: Members of the KKK consider themselves Christians. Ask
them.
The Other Kim
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2004-12-30, 4:06 am |
| Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net> writes:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...24/ixworld.html
>Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
>government must act.
Freedom of religion, by definition, includes freedom from religion as well.
No theocracy is welcome here, no matter what faith it's supposedly
professing.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 1 (December 29)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, December 30 at Norfolk, 6:35
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| Douglas Berry 2004-12-30, 4:06 am |
| On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:34:32 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>"Clayton The Fat Man Who Cums But Once A Year"
><cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymail.com> wrote in
>news:41d33a91$0$6541$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
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>You are comparing Christians to the KKK?
No, the KKK are Christians, as in the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux
Klan.
Don't believe me? Check out the various Klan groups' websites:
http://www.kkk.bz/index1.htm
http://www.k-k-k.com/
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:rsd7t0d3v4ues20ipf43hu77smnd9mp7gs@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:34:32 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> drained
> his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
> proclaimed the following
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> No, the KKK are Christians, as in the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux
> Klan.
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> Don't believe me? Check out the various Klan groups' websites:
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> http://www.kkk.bz/index1.htm
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> http://www.k-k-k.com/
Christians in name only, most likely. If they really knew their Bible they
would know that there is no biblical concept of race.
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
news:szkmzvwi4gt.fsf@eris.io.com:
> Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net> writes:
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> Freedom of religion, by definition, includes freedom from religion as
> well.
No it doesn't.
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>No it doesn't.
Try forcing it on anyone who's not interested in your particular obsession,
and see how long it takes until the world is made a slightly better place by
your absence from it.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 1 (December 29)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, December 30 at Norfolk, 6:35
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
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> Try forcing it on anyone who's not interested in your particular
> obsession, and see how long it takes until the world is made a slightly
> better place by your absence from it.
All freedom of religion means is that you have a choice in whatever
religion (or lack of religion) you want to follow. It doesn't mean that
anything religious should be censored by the government.
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| MarkA 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:09:49 +0000, Tchernobog wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
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> Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
> government must act.
Christians are not persecuted enough!! The Romans knew how to persecute!
Christians are at their best when they are a small minority, struggling
for survival in a hostile land. Let's help them out, shall we?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>All freedom of religion means is that you have a choice in whatever
>religion (or lack of religion) you want to follow. It doesn't mean that
>anything religious should be censored by the government.
It also means government can't choose one particular religion to promote as
the default, as well as meaning religion can't try and force the government(s)
to follow its tenets. You can't have one without the other.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 1 (December 29)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, December 30 at Norfolk, 6:35
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 11:07 am |
| Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
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> government(s) to follow its tenets. You can't have one without the
> other.
Except that's not what the Constitution actually says.
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| Ray Fischer 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>No it doesn't.
You claim that forcing people to worship as you dictate is freedom of religion.
No wonder you're a neocon - you're dumber than toast.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
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I never made such a claim.
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| Ray Fischer 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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>I never made such a claim.
You claim that there isn't a freedom from religion. That means people
forced to be religious. Forced to accept your religion.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
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> You claim that there isn't a freedom from religion. That means people
> forced to be religious.
No it doesn't. It means that you don't have the right to stop someone
else's expression of their religion.
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| Ray Fischer 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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>No it doesn't. It means that you don't have the right to stop someone
>else's expression of their religion.
You really are an illiterate moron. Freedom FROM religion, which is
what you oppose, is the freedom to be free from other people's
religion. It says nothing about forcing soemone else to forgo
religion.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Gactimus 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
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> You really are an illiterate moron. Freedom FROM religion, which is
> what you oppose, is the freedom to be free from other people's
> religion.
Freedom from religion is to indoctrinate atheism, the religion of secualar
humanists.
> It says nothing about forcing soemone else to forgo religion.
I never said anything about that. You did.
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| Ray Fischer 2004-12-30, 7:07 pm |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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>Freedom from religion is to indoctrinate atheism,
Stop lying, neocon bigot.
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>I never said anything about that.
Stop lying, moron. Your words are just above.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2004-12-30, 10:06 pm |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>Except that's not what the Constitution actually says.
You're on record as claiming there's no such thing as freedom from religion --
which means you're arguing that the State should be allowed to force religion
on its subjects. That's not what the Constitution says, either.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 1 (December 29)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, December 30 at Norfolk, 6:35
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| Gactimus 2004-12-31, 11:06 am |
| rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
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Your lying is duly noted.
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| Gactimus 2004-12-31, 11:06 am |
| Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
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That's what you claim it means.
> That's not what the Constitution says, either.
I know.
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| Gactimus wrote:
> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
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> Christians in name only, most likely. If they really knew their Bible
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> would know that there is no biblical concept of race.
And if they put sugar in their porridge they aren't really Scotsmen.
jwk
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| Miss Anne Thrope 2005-01-02, 11:06 am |
| I agree. Christians ARE the most persecuted folks on the
planet.................and with good reason.
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| Ray Fischer 2005-01-03, 2:06 am |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>No it doesn't.
You claim that forcing people to worship as you dictate is freedom of religion.
No wonder you're a neocon - you're dumber than toast.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Gactimus 2005-01-03, 7:07 pm |
| rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
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> You claim that forcing people to worship as you dictate is freedom of
> religion.
I never made such a claim.
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| Tukla Ratte 2005-01-04, 11:06 am |
| Gactimus wrote:
> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> news:rsd7t0d3v4ues20ipf43hu77smnd9mp7gs@4ax.com:
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> Christians in name only, most likely. If they really knew their Bible they
> would know that there is no biblical concept of race.
Ah, the sound of the bagpipes wafts over the forum.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| Somewriter 2005-01-04, 11:06 am |
| On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:57:08 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
>news:szksm5n93tz.fsf@eris.io.com:
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>All freedom of religion means is that you have a choice in whatever
>religion (or lack of religion) you want to follow.
You made Patrick's point. Thank you.
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| Somewriter 2005-01-04, 11:06 am |
| On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:21:57 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>No it doesn't.
So there isn't freedom where it concerns religion.
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| Tukla Ratte 2005-01-04, 7:07 pm |
| Gactimus wrote:
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> Freedom from religion is to indoctrinate atheism,
Atheism is the default; no indoctrination is required.
> the religion of secualar
> humanists.
Atheism isn't a religion.
You've fit two errors into one sentence, and I didn't even have to
mention your spelling, punctuation, or grammar. I'm impressed.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| William T. Goat 2005-01-04, 10:06 pm |
| Gactimus wrote:
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> Freedom from religion is to indoctrinate atheism, the religion of
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That's funny, I thought secular humanism was the religion of secular
humanists.
Next you'll be telling us that theism is the religion of the Amish.
--Billy
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2005-01-04, 10:06 pm |
| Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:21:57 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
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....which won't stop him from denying he ever even implied that. He should be
sent to the same remedial-reading class as Wentzky and Heishman.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Norfolk 1 (December 31)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 8 at Milwaukee, 1:35
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William T. Goat wrote:
> Gactimus wrote:
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> --Billy
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You may read almost any messages to you in here.
Misty,
{Ps),
How's the wrecker business on the big highway?
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| Windcat 2005-01-05, 7:06 am |
| Tukla Ratte wrote:
> Atheism isn't a religion.
Isn't it?
"relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged
ultimate reality or deity"
Don't atheists belive in an ultimate reality of nothingness?
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No it's not.
And the constant attempts at proclaiming it a religion
say a great deal more about the theists than they do
about the atheists.
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| Christopher A. Lee 2005-01-05, 7:06 am |
| On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:23:13 GMT, Windcat <fergetit@nowhere.com>
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>Tukla Ratte wrote:
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Of course not. You have to be remarkably ignorant to imagijne that,
and both rude and stupid to tell atheists that it is.
BEcause it's no different than not believing in the Easter Bunny.
>"relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged
>ultimate reality or deity"
How does that inanity describe atheism?
>Don't atheists belive in an ultimate reality of nothingness?
Only in the deluded fantasies of the deliberately ignorant
religionist.
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| Windcat 2005-01-05, 11:06 am |
| Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:23:13 GMT, Windcat <fergetit@nowhere.com>
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WOW! Ask a question and stand back for the attacks. Why so defensive?
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| Christopher A. Lee 2005-01-05, 11:06 am |
| On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:13:57 GMT, Windcat <fergetit@nowhere.com>
wrote:
>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
>WOW! Ask a question and stand back for the attacks. Why so defensive?
Why lie?
Why ask such droolingly and nastily stupid questions in the first
place?
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2005-01-06, 7:06 am |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
>news:szkmzvwi4gt.fsf@eris.io.com:
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>No it doesn't.
Try forcing it on anyone who's not interested in your particular obsession,
and see how long it takes until the world is made a slightly better place by
your absence from it.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 1 (December 29)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, December 30 at Norfolk, 6:35
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|
| On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:09:49 +0000, Tchernobog wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...24/ixworld.html
>
> Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
> government must act.
Christians are not persecuted enough!! The Romans knew how to persecute!
Christians are at their best when they are a small minority, struggling
for survival in a hostile land. Let's help them out, shall we?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| Ray Fischer 2005-01-06, 7:06 am |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
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>No it doesn't.
You claim that forcing people to worship as you dictate is freedom of religion.
No wonder you're a neocon - you're dumber than toast.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Ray Fischer 2005-01-06, 7:06 am |
| Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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>I never made such a claim.
You claim that there isn't a freedom from religion. That means people
forced to be religious. Forced to accept your religion.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Tukla Ratte 2005-01-06, 7:07 pm |
| Windcat wrote:
> Tukla Ratte wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Isn't it?
> "relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged
> ultimate reality or deity"
>
> Don't atheists belive in an ultimate reality of nothingness?
Not that I've ever known, because I would have had to ask them what an
"ultimate reality of nothingness" means.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| Tukla Ratte 2005-01-06, 7:08 pm |
| Gactimus wrote:
> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> news:rsd7t0d3v4ues20ipf43hu77smnd9mp7gs@4ax.com:
< snip >
>
>
> Christians in name only, most likely. If they really knew their Bible they
> would know that there is no biblical concept of race.
Ah, the sound of the bagpipes wafts over the forum.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| Tukla Ratte 2005-01-06, 7:08 pm |
| Gactimus wrote:
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> Freedom from religion is to indoctrinate atheism,
Atheism is the default; no indoctrination is required.
> the religion of secualar
> humanists.
Atheism isn't a religion.
You've fit two errors into one sentence, and I didn't even have to
mention your spelling, punctuation, or grammar. I'm impressed.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| Shawn Hearn 2005-01-09, 10:07 pm |
| In article <1104347389.3be379b691b5e4c607a57aec9a702156@bubbanews>,
Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../wchrist24.xml&
> sSheet=/news/2004/12/24/ixworld.html
>
> Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The
> government must act.
Perhaps if Christians would stop trying to thrust their religious
beliefs on others and force government policy to conform to their
viewpoint, they would not be so persecuted.
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| Shawn Hearn 2005-01-09, 10:07 pm |
| In article <1104420117.3bd99e7c9bb3a7c39b5cb56eba4b346b@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
> Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in
> news:szkmzvwi4gt.fsf@eris.io.com:
>
>
> No it doesn't.
Sure it does. Freedom of religion means also having the right not to
practice a religion.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-10, 11:07 am |
| Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-DBF9A9.21364609012005@news.giganews.com:
> In article <1104420117.3bd99e7c9bb3a7c39b5cb56eba4b346b@bubbanews>,
> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sure it does. Freedom of religion means also having the right not to
> practice a religion.
It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other religions to
reach that goal.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-10, 11:07 am |
| Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-6A0D6B.21353109012005@news.giganews.com:
> In article <1104347389.3be379b691b5e4c607a57aec9a702156@bubbanews>,
> Tchernobog <tchernobog@xrs.net> wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps if Christians would stop trying to thrust their religious
> beliefs on others and force government policy to conform to their
> viewpoint, they would not be so persecuted.
As opposed to atheists who are doing the same thing? You're full of crap.
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| Somewriter 2005-01-10, 11:07 am |
| On 04 Jan 2005 21:06:27 -0600, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
>Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>...which won't stop him from denying he ever even implied that. He should be
>sent to the same remedial-reading class as Wentzky and Heishman.
Well, they collectiely share the same one brain cell on which they
operate.
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2005-01-10, 11:07 am |
| Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
>On 04 Jan 2005 21:06:27 -0600, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
>wrote:
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>Well, they collectiely share the same one brain cell on which they
>operate.
You may be giving them a bit too much credit.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Worcester 1, Houston 0 (January 9)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, January 11 vs. Milwaukee, 7:05
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| Misty 2005-01-10, 11:08 am |
|
William T. Goat wrote:
> Gactimus wrote:
>
>
> secualar
>
>
>
> That's funny, I thought secular humanism was the religion of secular
> humanists.
>
> Next you'll be telling us that theism is the religion of the Amish.
> --Billy
>
You may read almost any messages to you in here.
Misty,
{Ps),
How's the wrecker business on the big highway?
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|
|
"Windcat" <fergetit@nowhere.com> wrote
> Tukla Ratte wrote:
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> Isn't it?
No it's not.
And the constant attempts at proclaiming it a religion
say a great deal more about the theists than they do
about the atheists.
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| Douglas Berry 2005-01-10, 7:07 pm |
| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:36:25 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other religions to
>reach that goal.
You are free to practise your religion. You can pray, go to church,
and follow your messiah's teachings (not that I've ever met a
Christian who actually does this, mind you.)
What you cannot do is force your religious views into law, or make
anyone else adhere to your religious principles.
By the way, if you are a Christian, do you give away all your money to
the poor as Jesus commanded?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-10, 7:07 pm |
| Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:36:25 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
> proclaimed the following
>
>
> You are free to practise your religion. You can pray, go to church,
> and follow your messiah's teachings (not that I've ever met a
> Christian who actually does this, mind you.)
>
> What you cannot do is force your religious views into law, or make
> anyone else adhere to your religious principles.
Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
> By the way, if you are a Christian, do you give away all your money to
> the poor as Jesus commanded?
He didn't.
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| Douglas Berry 2005-01-10, 10:06 pm |
| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
>
>
>Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
>
>
>He didn't.
Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
There are others.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Shawn Hearn 2005-01-10, 10:06 pm |
| In article <79GdnayL1etEGX_cRVn-og@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
> Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:srhi-DBF9A9.21364609012005@news.giganews.com:
>
>
> It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other religions to
> reach that goal.
True.
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| Shawn Hearn 2005-01-10, 10:06 pm |
| In article <avKdnfl_UvH8Tn_cRVn-pg@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
>
>
> Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
Really? Do you have proof of your claim that atheists attempt
to suppress the legal expression of religion? Considering that
atheists have no religious principles, they cannot possibly be
accused of trying to foist their religious principles on others
by force of law, at least not in the United States.
>
> He didn't.
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| Shawn Hearn 2005-01-10, 10:06 pm |
| In article <79Gdna-L1etHGX_cRVn-og@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
> Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:srhi-6A0D6B.21353109012005@news.giganews.com:
>
>
> As opposed to atheists who are doing the same thing? You're full of crap.
Atheists have no religious principles so they cannot possibly try to
thrust their religious principles on anyone else. For you to claim
otherwise is the crap. Put up your proof or shut up.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-11, 2:06 am |
| Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-6D7719.21360910012005@news.giganews.com:
> In article <79Gdna-L1etHGX_cRVn-og@rcn.net>,
> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>
>
> Atheists have no religious principles so they cannot possibly try to
> thrust their religious principles on anyone else.
Bullshit. Atheists form their own organizations and sue to get their
anti-religious laws in place. Atheists are just as religious as theists.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-11, 2:06 am |
| Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
> proclaimed the following
>
>
> OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
What have you been forced to do in your own life by a religion?
>
> Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
> thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
>
> Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
> moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
None of which command Christians to give away all their money.
> There are others.
No there's not.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-11, 2:06 am |
| Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-0D02BA.21342210012005@news.giganews.com:
> In article <avKdnfl_UvH8Tn_cRVn-pg@rcn.net>,
> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>
>
> Really? Do you have proof of your claim that atheists attempt
> to suppress the legal expression of religion?
> Considering that atheists have no religious principles, they cannot
> possibly be accused of trying to foist their religious principles on
> others by force of law, at least not in the United States.
So now theists cannot influence the government but atheists can? How
hypocritical and fascist of you.
The Supreme Court defined atheism as a religion. Atheism is a religion, it
is simply a religion that does not believe in any supernatural being.
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|
| Douglas Berry wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
> proclaimed the following
>
> OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
>
> Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
> thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
>
> Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
> moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Luke 14:36
But likwise, whosoever he be of you that foresaketh not all he hath, he
cannot be a disciple of mine.
Luke 12:33
Sell that ye have and give alms...
See also Acts 4:31-7.
God commands, via the Holy Ghost, religious communism.
There are no Christians in America anymore.
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| Ninure Saunders 2005-01-11, 11:06 am |
| In article <bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
-On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
-drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
-proclaimed the following
->Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
->news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
->
->> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:36:25 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
->> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
->> proclaimed the following
->>
->>> It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other religions to
->>> reach that goal.
->>
->> You are free to practise your religion. You can pray, go to church,
->> and follow your messiah's teachings (not that I've ever met a
->> Christian who actually does this, mind you.)
->>
->> What you cannot do is force your religious views into law, or make
->> anyone else adhere to your religious principles.
->
->Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
-
-OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
->
->> By the way, if you are a Christian, do you give away all your money to
->> the poor as Jesus commanded?
->
->He didn't.
-
-Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
-thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
-
-Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
-moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
-
-There are others.
---
-Matt. 19:21 Jesus answered, ³If you want to be perfect, go, sell your
possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
Then come, follow me.²
Mark 10:21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. ³One thing you lack,² he
said. ³Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will
have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.²
Luke 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses
for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not
be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
Luke 14:13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled,
the lame, the blind,
Luke 14:21 ³The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then
the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ŒGo out
quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the
crippled, the blind and the lame.¹
Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, ³You still lack one
thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have
treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.²
Luke 19:8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, ³Look, Lord! Here
and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated
anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.²
James 2:3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes
and say, ³Here¹s a good seat for you,² but say to the poor man, ³You stand
there² or ³Sit on the floor by my feet,²
:4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with
evil thoughts?
:5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in
the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he
promised those who love him?
:6 But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting
you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?
:7 Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to
whom you belong?
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| Gregory Gadow 2005-01-11, 11:06 am |
| Gactimus wrote:
> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> news:bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com:
>
>
> None of which command Christians to give away all their money.
>
>
> No there's not.
For a self-proclaimed Christian, your ignorance of your own Scripture is
astounding (but all too typical.)
Read (You can use the Revised Standard Version at
http://www.hti.umich.edu/r/rsv/)
Matthew 5:38-48
Matthew 19:16-21
Matthew 25-31-46
Mark 10:17-31
Luke 6:20-26
Luke 18:18-22
A few other worthy readings:
Deuteronomy 24:10-22
Isaiah 58:4-10 (my personal favorite)
Acts 2:44-45
Acts 4:32-34
Romans 12:14-21
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The President is merely the most important among a large number
of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to
the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct,
his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and
disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is
absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell
the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly
necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when
he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both
base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of
the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or
wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about
him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth,
pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
President Theodore Roosevelt, editorial to the Kansas City Star
May 7, 1918
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| Ninure Saunders 2005-01-11, 11:06 am |
| In article <pdmdndcktbbr-n7cRVn-2A@rcn.net>, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
-Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
-news:bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com:
-
-> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
-> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
-> proclaimed the following
->
->> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
->> news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
->>
->>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:36:25 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
->>> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
->>> proclaimed the following
->>>
->>>> It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other religions
->>>> to reach that goal.
->>>
->>> You are free to practise your religion. You can pray, go to church,
->>> and follow your messiah's teachings (not that I've ever met a
->>> Christian who actually does this, mind you.)
->>>
->>> What you cannot do is force your religious views into law, or make
->>> anyone else adhere to your religious principles.
->>
->>Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
->
-> OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
-
-What have you been forced to do in your own life by a religion?
-
->>> By the way, if you are a Christian, do you give away all your money to
->>> the poor as Jesus commanded?
->>
->> He didn't.
->
-> Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
-> thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
->
-> Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
-> moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
-
-None of which command Christians to give away all their money.
But these do:
Matthew 19: 21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell
what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven;
and come, follow me."
Luke 14:33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything
he has cannot be my disciple. (NIV)
Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one
thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will
havetreasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When he heard this, he
became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24 Jesus looked
at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of
God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle
than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 26 Those who heard
this asked, "Who then can be saved?" (NIV)
-
-> There are others.
-
-No there's not.
Maybe you should actually READ the Bible instead of "bashing" people with it?
Matthew:6 19 "Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where
moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal;20 but
lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust
consume, and where thieves don't break through and steal;21 for where your
treasure is, your heart will be there also.
Matthew 19:23-24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto
you, That a rich
man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say
untoyou, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
Luke 6:25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
Luke 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.
Luke 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to
those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who
mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the
other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your
tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what
belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have
them do to you.
Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to
you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to
those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do
that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what
credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be
repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to
them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be
great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the
ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn,
and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38
Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken
together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the
measure you use, it will be measured to you." (NIV)
Luke 14:12 Then Jesus said to his host, ³When you give a luncheon or
dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your
rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be
repaid.
Luke 14:13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled,
the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot
repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.²
Christians who constantly claim that the Bible is to be taken literally
would be more convincing if they took the words of Him whom they call
"Lord", that is Jesus literally and actually obeyed Him!!!
"The Church confesses that she has witnessed the lawless application of
brutal force, the physical and spiritual suffering of countless innocent
people, oppression, hatred and murder, and that she has not raised her
voice on behalf of the victims and has not found ways to hasten to their
aid. She is guilty of the deaths of the weakest and most defenseless
brothers of Jesus Christ."
- Dietrich Bonhoeffer ( Ethics )
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| Douglas Berry 2005-01-11, 7:07 pm |
| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:43:19 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>The Supreme Court defined atheism as a religion. Atheism is a religion, it
>is simply a religion that does not believe in any supernatural being.
In what case? Please give a citation and a link to the full opinion.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Douglas Berry 2005-01-11, 7:07 pm |
| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:43:18 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>news:bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com:
>
>
>What have you been forced to do in your own life by a religion?
I notice you can't answer my question. How has your free expression
of religion in your own life been hindered.
I've already answered your question about the effect religious idiots
had on my life. Remember the "no beer on Sunday" law we discussed in
the distant past (like three days ago?)
>
>None of which command Christians to give away all their money.
Thank you for walking into my kill zone! Read up, little one:
Matthew 5:38-48
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth
for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but
whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other
also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat,
let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a
mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from
him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard
that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine
enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the
children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to
rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on
the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren
only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye
therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 19:16-21
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing
shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if
thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him,
Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit
adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept
from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt
be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou
shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One
thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to
the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up
the cross, and follow me.
Luke 6:20-26
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye
poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now:
for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall
laugh. Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall
separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out
your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day,
and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in
the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. But woe unto you
that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you
that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for
ye shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well
of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Luke 18:22
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest
thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor,
and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Deuteronomy 24:10-22
Isaiah 58:4-10
Acts 2:44-45
Acts 4:32-34
Romans 12:14-21
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Gactimus 2005-01-11, 7:07 pm |
| RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote in
news:RainbowChristiannohate-1101050859390001@h-68-164-224-123.chcgilgm.dyna
mic.covad.net:
> In article <pdmdndcktbbr-n7cRVn-2A@rcn.net>, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
> wrote:
>
> -Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> -news:bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com:
> -
> -> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
> -> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
> drunkenly -> proclaimed the following
> ->
> ->> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> ->> news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
> ->>
> ->>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:36:25 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
> ->>> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
> drunkenly ->>> proclaimed the following
> ->>>
> ->>>> It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other
> religions ->>>> to reach that goal.
> ->>>
> ->>> You are free to practise your religion. You can pray, go to
> church, ->>> and follow your messiah's teachings (not that I've ever met
> a ->>> Christian who actually does this, mind you.)
> ->>>
> ->>> What you cannot do is force your religious views into law, or make
> ->>> anyone else adhere to your religious principles.
> ->>
> ->>Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
> ->
> -> OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
> -
> -What have you been forced to do in your own life by a religion?
> -
> ->>> By the way, if you are a Christian, do you give away all your money
> to ->>> the poor as Jesus commanded?
> ->>
> ->> He didn't.
> ->
> -> Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
> -> thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
> ->
> -> Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
> -> moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and
> steal: -
> -None of which command Christians to give away all their money.
>
> But these do:
>
> Matthew 19: 21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell
> what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in
> heaven; and come, follow me."
>
> Luke 14:33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything
> he has cannot be my disciple. (NIV)
>
> Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one
> thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will
> havetreasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When he heard this, he
> became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24 Jesus looked
> at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of
> God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
> needle
> than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 26 Those who heard
> this asked, "Who then can be saved?" (NIV)
> -
> -> There are others.
> -
> -No there's not.
>
> Maybe you should actually READ the Bible instead of "bashing" people
> with it?
>
> Matthew:6 19 "Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where
> moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal;20 but
> lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust
> consume, and where thieves don't break through and steal;21 for where
> your treasure is, your heart will be there also.
>
>
> Matthew 19:23-24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto
> you, That a rich
> man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say
> untoyou, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle,
> than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
>
> Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich,
> for you have already received your comfort.
> Luke 6:25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
> for you will go hungry.
> Woe to you who laugh now,
> for you will mourn and weep.
> Luke 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
> for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.
> Luke 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good
> to
> those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who
> mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the
> other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking
> your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what
> belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would
> have them do to you.
> Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to
> you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to
> those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do
> that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what
> credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be
> repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to
> them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be
> great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the
> ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is
> merciful.
> Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not
> condemn,
> and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38
> Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken
> together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the
> measure you use, it will be measured to you." (NIV)
>
>
> Luke 14:12 Then Jesus said to his host, ³When you give a luncheon or
> dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your
> rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be
> repaid.
>
> Luke 14:13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled,
> the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot
> repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.²
>
>
> Christians who constantly claim that the Bible is to be taken literally
> would be more convincing if they took the words of Him whom they call
> "Lord", that is Jesus literally and actually obeyed Him!!!
Your inability to interpret scripture is duly noted. Selling all one's
possessions was never made a universal condition of discipleship. Mary's
house in Jerusalem (Acts 12:12), Philip's great house in Caesarea
Palestina (Acts 21:8), and the statement of the apostle Peter that Ananias
and Sapphira were not under compulsion either to sell their property or
give the money when they did (Acts 5:4) make it very clear that ownership
of property was not proscribed in the early church.
| |
| Ninure Saunders 2005-01-11, 7:07 pm |
| In article <fpqdnfN_t4BPwXncRVn-hw@rcn.net>, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
-RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote in
-news:RainbowChristiannohate-1101050859390001@h-68-164-224-123.chcgilgm.dyna
-mic.covad.net:
-
-> In article <pdmdndcktbbr-n7cRVn-2A@rcn.net>, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
-> wrote:
->
-> -Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
-> -news:bc96u0pp17ihksbcoiu2rjhnf9perdiqfd@4ax.com:
-> -
-> -> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:11:29 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
-> -> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
-> drunkenly -> proclaimed the following
-> ->
-> ->> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
-> ->> news:drj5u0ls7pieg35mqn1ep2qve4od59d1ca@4ax.com:
-> ->>
-> ->>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:36:25 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
-> ->>> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
-> drunkenly ->>> proclaimed the following
-> ->>>
-> ->>>> It doesn't mean that you have the right to suppress other
-> religions ->>>> to reach that goal.
-> ->>>
-> ->>> You are free to practise your religion. You can pray, go to
-> church, ->>> and follow your messiah's teachings (not that I've ever met
-> a ->>> Christian who actually does this, mind you.)
-> ->>>
-> ->>> What you cannot do is force your religious views into law, or make
-> ->>> anyone else adhere to your religious principles.
-> ->>
-> ->>Why not? Atheists do it all the time.
-> ->
-> -> OK, what have you been forced to do in your own life by an atheist?
-> -
-> -What have you been forced to do in your own life by a religion?
-> -
-> ->>> By the way, if you are a Christian, do you give away all your money
-> to ->>> the poor as Jesus commanded?
-> ->>
-> ->> He didn't.
-> ->
-> -> Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away
-> -> thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
-> ->
-> -> Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
-> -> moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and
-> steal: -
-> -None of which command Christians to give away all their money.
->
-> But these do:
->
-> Matthew 19: 21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell
-> what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in
-> heaven; and come, follow me."
->
-> Luke 14:33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything
-> he has cannot be my disciple. (NIV)
->
-> Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one
-> thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will
-> havetreasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When he heard this, he
-> became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24 Jesus looked
-> at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of
-> God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
-> needle
-> than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 26 Those who heard
-> this asked, "Who then can be saved?" (NIV)
-> -
-> -> There are others.
-> -
-> -No there's not.
->
-> Maybe you should actually READ the Bible instead of "bashing" people
-> with it?
->
-> Matthew:6 19 "Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where
-> moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal;20 but
-> lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust
-> consume, and where thieves don't break through and steal;21 for where
-> your treasure is, your heart will be there also.
->
->
-> Matthew 19:23-24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto
-> you, That a rich
-> man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say
-> untoyou, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle,
-> than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
->
-> Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich,
-> for you have already received your comfort.
-> Luke 6:25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
-> for you will go hungry.
-> Woe to you who laugh now,
-> for you will mourn and weep.
-> Luke 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
-> for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.
-> Luke 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good
-> to
-> those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who
-> mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the
-> other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking
-> your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what
-> belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would
-> have them do to you.
-> Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to
-> you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to
-> those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do
-> that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what
-> credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be
-> repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to
-> them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be
-> great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the
-> ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is
-> merciful.
-> Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not
-> condemn,
-> and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38
-> Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken
-> together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the
-> measure you use, it will be measured to you." (NIV)
->
->
-> Luke 14:12 Then Jesus said to his host, ³When you give a luncheon or
-> dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your
-> rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be
-> repaid.
->
-> Luke 14:13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled,
-> the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot
-> repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.²
->
->
-> Christians who constantly claim that the Bible is to be taken literally
-> would be more convincing if they took the words of Him whom they call
-> "Lord", that is Jesus literally and actually obeyed Him!!!
-
-Your inability to interpret scripture is duly noted.
Sez you.
Funny how Scripture "needs" interpetation when it might impast your own
ife..but means eactly what it saus when you wish to judge others...
In other words, you twist Jesus' own words to mean what you need them to say....
-Selling all one's
-possessions was never made a universal condition of discipleship
It was by Jesus..but we know what the conxerbatives message to Jesus us..FOAD
Luke 14:33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything
he has cannot be my disciple.
Mark 10:21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. ³One thing you lack,² he
said. ³Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will
have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.²
Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, ³You still lack one
thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have
treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.²
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
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| Ray Fischer 2005-01-12, 2:07 am |
| Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
>
>In what case? Please give a citation and a link to the full opinion.
Gack's just an idiot troll who will write any crap at all.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Patrick Lee Humphrey 2005-01-14, 7:08 pm |
| Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
>On 04 Jan 2005 21:06:27 -0600, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
>wrote:
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>Well, they collectiely share the same one brain cell on which they
>operate.
You may be giving them a bit too much credit.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Worcester 1, Houston 0 (January 9)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, January 11 vs. Milwaukee, 7:05
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| Somewriter 2005-01-15, 4:06 am |
| On 04 Jan 2005 21:06:27 -0600, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
>Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>...which won't stop him from denying he ever even implied that. He should be
>sent to the same remedial-reading class as Wentzky and Heishman.
Well, they collectiely share the same one brain cell on which they
operate.
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| Barry OGrady 2005-01-19, 11:06 am |
| On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:21:10 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>news:rsd7t0d3v4ues20ipf43hu77smnd9mp7gs@4ax.com:
>
>
>Christians in name only, most likely. If they really knew their Bible they
>would know that there is no biblical concept of race.
They use the Bible to show that God is racist.
-Barry
========
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for
their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
[A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)]
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