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rosie read n' post

2005-09-23, 12:13 pm

Reflections for Beginners
from
'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
- by Shelly Marshall
the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books

Vengeance sometimes seems the only way to get back at those who've hurt
us. But we've found the best vengeance is living well, practicing our
principles, and letting our Higher Power take care of the offenders.

May I recognize and internalize that vengeance is an attribute of
addiction, not recovery.

gammler@cox.net

2005-09-23, 12:13 pm

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:22:00 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Reflections for Beginners
>from
>'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
>- by Shelly Marshall
>the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>
>
>Vengeance sometimes seems the only way to get back at those who've hurt
>us. But we've found the best vengeance is living well, practicing our
>principles, and letting our Higher Power take care of the offenders.
>
>May I recognize and internalize that vengeance is an attribute of
>addiction, not recovery.

Revenge is a dish that is best eaten cold. To plot and carry out
revenge, I have found, is not enough to even the score. Once revenge
has been extracted, the resentment is still there. Others might see
things differntly but that is the way it worked out for me.

>

rockhound

2005-09-23, 12:13 pm

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:55:15 -0400, gammler@cox.net wrote:

>Revenge is a dish that is best eaten cold. To plot and carry out
>revenge, I have found, is not enough to even the score. Once revenge
>has been extracted, the resentment is still there.

....and will so remain, resolutely in place, extracting its emotional
payload, until perchance, beaten under the merciless lash of
alchoholism, we might finally become willing enough to take that odd
advice and look again, carefully, at each of these situations,
resolutely looking our own mistake(s), DROPPING the word blame from
our speech and our thought, assuming FULL responsibility for OUR sorry
state of affairs, for didn't we, after all, set the ball rolling,
through selfish, self-centered demands predominantly based on fear.

What could we have done better. Become willing to develop at least
*some* semblance of character.

Enough to get by, anyway...

....just barely...

/was enough of a job just to find the willingness to listen. gees.
Besides, it's those other people that *really* need an inventory -
myself, i had pretty good character all along - LOL!/

> Others might see
>things differntly but that is the way it worked out for me.

------------
these resentments must be mastered, but how? To conclude that others
were wrong was as far as most of us ever got. The usual outcome was
that people continued to wrong us and we stayed sore.

gammler@cox.net

2005-09-23, 12:13 pm

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:45:16 -0400, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:55:15 -0400, gammler@cox.net wrote:
>
>
>...and will so remain, resolutely in place, extracting its emotional
>payload, until perchance, beaten under the merciless lash of
>alchoholism, we might finally become willing enough to take that odd
>advice and look again, carefully, at each of these situations,
>resolutely looking our own mistake(s), DROPPING the word blame from
>our speech and our thought, assuming FULL responsibility for OUR sorry
>state of affairs, for didn't we, after all, set the ball rolling,
>through selfish, self-centered demands predominantly based on fear.
>
>What could we have done better. Become willing to develop at least
>*some* semblance of character.
>
>Enough to get by, anyway...
>
>...just barely...
>
>/was enough of a job just to find the willingness to listen. gees.
>Besides, it's those other people that *really* need an inventory -
>myself, i had pretty good character all along - LOL!/
>
>
>------------
>these resentments must be mastered, but how? To conclude that others
>were wrong was as far as most of us ever got. The usual outcome was
>that people continued to wrong us and we stayed sore.

Harboring a resentment is like taking poison and hoping someone else
dies. To plot and carry out revenge is to harbor a resentment until
the plan for revenge is put into effect and beyond.

My sponsor told me the way to get rid of resentments is to pray for
the individual against whom I have a resentment. He told me to keep
praying for him for 14 days. When he said that I thought the idea was
ridiculous. I tried it, however, and it works. It took more than 14
days though.

rosie read n' post

2005-09-23, 12:13 pm

<gammler@cox.net> wrote in message
news:o3s0j1hcn2e0opsmfvlm3aagf9upb5ejhq@4ax.com...

> Harboring a resentment is like taking poison and hoping someone else
> dies. To plot and carry out revenge is to harbor a resentment until
> the plan for revenge is put into effect and beyond.
>

AMEN!

someone in need

2005-09-23, 12:14 pm

Alanon and recovering addicts have taught me that when the alcoholic
says all those mean hurtful things to their family/loved ones, that is
is the alcohol talking and NOT the undruuged person behind the bottle.

Although nobody is perfect, alcoholism has suddenly turned resolved
issues into excuses for drinking and blaming.

Vengeance is futile against an addict as it is the altered behavior
caused by the substance that provides the hurt towards family and real
friends.

I think it would be more productive to try to persuade distilleries to
add additional warnings to their products very much as the tobacco
industry has done(been forced to do)

Warning, alcoholism can lead to addiction, psychosis, family breakup,
etc etc.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:22:00 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Reflections for Beginners
>from
>'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
>- by Shelly Marshall
>the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>
>
>Vengeance sometimes seems the only way to get back at those who've hurt
>us. But we've found the best vengeance is living well, practicing our
>principles, and letting our Higher Power take care of the offenders.
>
>May I recognize and internalize that vengeance is an attribute of
>addiction, not recovery.
>
>

Robert McGregor

2005-09-23, 12:14 pm

"someone in need" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:hmp6j1th6va2r1kdkqqiclu172bhqp2oft@4ax.com...
> Alanon and recovering addicts have taught me that when the
> alcoholic
> says all those mean hurtful things to their family/loved ones, that
> is
> is the alcohol talking and NOT the undruuged person behind the
> bottle.

Simplistic generalised rationalisation certainly absolves you from
your part in your saga, doesn't it.

>
> Although nobody is perfect, alcoholism has suddenly turned resolved
> issues into excuses for drinking and blaming.
>
> Vengeance is futile against an addict as it is the altered behavior
> caused by the substance that provides the hurt towards family and
> real
> friends.
>
> I think it would be more productive to try to persuade distilleries
> to
> add additional warnings to their products very much as the tobacco
> industry has done(been forced to do)
>

So much for your disease theory.

Bob

someone in need

2005-09-23, 12:14 pm

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:52:30 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"someone in need" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:hmp6j1th6va2r1kdkqqiclu172bhqp2oft@4ax.com...
>
>Simplistic generalised rationalisation certainly absolves you from
>your part in your saga, doesn't it.
>
>
>So much for your disease theory.
>
>
>Bob
>
>

Tobacco products carry a warning too. Thank you for teaching us
smoking does not cause cancer or heart disease, which are ofcourse NON
DISEASES peryour logic.

"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this
walked the earth in flesh and blood."

Although the above was quoted by Albert Einstein in reverance to
Mohandis Ghandi,

perhaps it should have been to you.

You are brilliant!

We boweth before thy

someone in need

2005-09-23, 12:14 pm

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:52:30 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"someone in need" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:hmp6j1th6va2r1kdkqqiclu172bhqp2oft@4ax.com...
>
>Simplistic generalised rationalisation certainly absolves you from
>your part in your saga, doesn't it.
>
>
>So much for your disease theory.
>
>
>Bob
>
>

Or perhaps as you prefer should I say alcoholism is due to a weak
morality/ flawed character starting with you first?

Of course nobody is perfect BUT do you think alcoholism/addiction is
the reasonable solution to dealing with life and those you perceive as
causing stress????

What about the famous words,,"didn't cause it, can't control it"

whatever the reason, once someone is addicited, alcohol is IN CONTROL.

Robert McGregor

2005-09-23, 12:14 pm

"someone in need" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0k77j1h16hg2gab0crg9di9340rf4qofq4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:52:30 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Or perhaps as you prefer should I say alcoholism is due to a weak
> morality/ flawed character starting with you first?
>

Agreed.

Pertaining to my experience, both while in active alcoholism,
drinking; and in subsequent recovery, that definition is much closer
to reality than your disease theory.

Do you call heart problems lazy fatassism? Do you call lung cancer
tobaccoism?

Bob