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| Jennifer Juniper 2005-12-11, 12:51 am |
| If someone took pain medication at a time when it was not prescribed,
should their sobriety date be changed?
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| dan mcgown 2005-12-11, 12:51 am |
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"Jennifer Juniper" <biddulphx@erols.com> wrote in message
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> If someone took pain medication at a time when it was not prescribed,
> should their sobriety date be changed?
I'm not really sure how to answer that because I believe that
artificial counters like "sobriety dates" are antithetical to the concept of
"one day at a time" and to the more practical approach of just not drinking
now.
There's a crusty old-timer at my brother's home group who has been
sober for about 35 years. He likes to ask people how much sobriety they
have and then, when they say 2 or 3 or 5 years, he says: "I've just got
today."
It's a lesson worth remembering.
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| Jennifer Juniper 2005-12-11, 12:51 am |
| Yes it is. Focus gets blurred at times with so many issues.
Thanks
"dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> "Jennifer Juniper" <biddulphx@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:r4ydnSpI_9lHEgbenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@rcn.net...
prescribed,[vbcol=seagreen]
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> I'm not really sure how to answer that because I believe that
> artificial counters like "sobriety dates" are antithetical to the
concept of
> "one day at a time" and to the more practical approach of just not
drinking
> now.
> There's a crusty old-timer at my brother's home group who has
been
> sober for about 35 years. He likes to ask people how much sobriety
they
> have and then, when they say 2 or 3 or 5 years, he says: "I've just
got
> today."
> It's a lesson worth remembering.
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| dan mcgown 2005-12-11, 12:51 am |
| My pleasure. So, don't be a stranger, okay?
"Jennifer Juniper" <biddulphx@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Yes it is. Focus gets blurred at times with so many issues.
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> Thanks
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> "dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:h5-dnVurSdf5DgbeRVn-jw@adelphia.com...
> prescribed,
> concept of
> drinking
> been
> they
> got
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| Jennifer Juniper 2005-12-11, 12:51 am |
| It's been awhile since I've visited NG.....I'll be back
"dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> My pleasure. So, don't be a stranger, okay?
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> "Jennifer Juniper" <biddulphx@erols.com> wrote in message
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just[vbcol=seagreen]
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| Robert McGregor 2005-12-11, 12:51 am |
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"Jennifer Juniper" <biddulphx@erols.com> wrote in message
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> If someone took pain medication at a time when it was not
> prescribed,
> should their sobriety date be changed?
>
Jeez, Jennifer, pertaining to alcoholism, sobriety is freedom from
alcohol. Applying other criteria and changing sobriety dates because
of excess, generally only the lonely would survive thanksgiving, only
to gluttonise at Xmas anyway.
Your idea would save needless complications though, in countries that
bother with AA medallions. A post Xmas medallion and a post
thanksgiving medallion should just about cover it. Meanwhile, those
of us claiming sober time rank would all have identical medallions to
stand on 
Bob
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| Dudley Do Rite 2005-12-11, 12:49 pm |
| Is there alcohol in your pain medication? Did you take it to escape? If
yes to both of those, I would say yes, you should change your sobriety date.
If your motives were thus impure and alcohol is involved, I take that hard
line.
However, I'm practical too. (Bob might call me a hypocrite). I stopped
drinking because I absued alcohol and needed to stop. AA is helping me.
I do still use non-addicitive marijuana. And I don't change my sobroiety
date. I like pot because I enjoy the feeling. There have been times where
I've smoked pot to escape, and I am careful not to string too many of those
episodes together in a row. But I don't change my date. I also use
mouthwash - with 25% alcohol. I also sometimes take Nyquil if I have a
stuffy nose/head. It has alcohol in it but I don't use them to escape - I
use them (not abuse them) for the purpose they're intended.
So my mind says using alcohol, in order to escape life/reality, is not
allowed and abusing chemicals to escape is not allowed.
My $0.02 - steve
"Jennifer Juniper" <biddulphx@erols.com> wrote in message
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> If someone took pain medication at a time when it was not prescribed,
> should their sobriety date be changed?
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| Robert McGregor 2005-12-14, 10:51 am |
| "Kai Ruuska" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> rosie read n' post kirjoitti:
>
> Nowhere in either the original question or your post was "getting
> high" mentioned. The talk was about "taking pain killers that
> weren't prescribed". Oh, BTW, do you mean it's okay to take pain
> meds TO GET HIGH as long as they're prescribed?
>
Rosie is stoically surviving a miserable dilemma. According to what
can be gleaned in between her dedicated pastings of smarm, remaining
dry while purporting to be happy, joyous, and free became more than a
little tiresome. After about five years her serotonin level was
proven depleted to the point of clinical depression.
"rosie read n' post" wrote
|/ i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
|/ started antidepressants......
Rather than adopt that rigorous self honesty AA business and desist
from pretence,
rosie wrote:
| you will not find one post of mine, that suggests doing the THIRD
| STEP for what to me is an obvious mental health issue.
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| grow up!
http://tinyurl.com/2pvpx
Instead, Rosie opted for a chemical solution. Naturally, as is
apparently usual with drug addiction, instead of her problem being
solved, it's exacerbated. Increasingly stronger and different drugs
are "necessary" to lift Rosie out of her perpetual misery.
|/ ............i am still on them to this day.
|/ (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
Today, decades after first purporting to be happy, joyous, and free,
Rosie's dilemma of denial is how to proclaim that drugs, sanctified
by any "doctor," in whose interests it is to prescribe them, raise
her up from her perpetual misery *without* her getting higher.
From: "rosie readandpost"
| YES, whatever works!
| i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
| drink/drug
Bob
From: "readandpost" <readandpost...@yahoo.com>
| re-enforcing the knowledge that a DRUG IS A DRUG and that JUNKIE
| THINKING is universal where DRUGS are concerned!
"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| ROTFLMAO!
| isn't it alcoholics that keep doing the same thing, but expect
| different results?
| ;)
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| stuart 2005-12-14, 10:51 am |
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Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Kai Ruuska" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:dnodd2$l4v$1@phys-news4.kolumbus.fi...
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> Rosie is stoically surviving a miserable dilemma. According to what
> can be gleaned in between her dedicated pastings of smarm, remaining
> dry while purporting to be happy, joyous, and free became more than a
> little tiresome. After about five years her serotonin level was
> proven depleted to the point of clinical depression.
> "rosie read n' post" wrote
> |/ i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
> |/ started antidepressants......
>
> Rather than adopt that rigorous self honesty AA business and desist
> from pretence,
> rosie wrote:
> | you will not find one post of mine, that suggests doing the THIRD
> | STEP for what to me is an obvious mental health issue.
> |
> | grow up!
> http://tinyurl.com/2pvpx
>
> Instead, Rosie opted for a chemical solution. Naturally, as is
> apparently usual with drug addiction, instead of her problem being
> solved, it's exacerbated. Increasingly stronger and different drugs
> are "necessary" to lift Rosie out of her perpetual misery.
> |/ ............i am still on them to this day.
> |/ (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
>
> Today, decades after first purporting to be happy, joyous, and free,
> Rosie's dilemma of denial is how to proclaim that drugs, sanctified
> by any "doctor," in whose interests it is to prescribe them, raise
> her up from her perpetual misery *without* her getting higher.
> From: "rosie readandpost"
> | YES, whatever works!
> | i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
> | drink/drug
>
> Bob
As soon as Edmonton is a tropical paradise full of movie stars and I happen
to think I'm Jesus Christ, that's when I consider cutting back on the
Effexor, Bob...:-)
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> From: "readandpost" <readandpost...@yahoo.com>
> | re-enforcing the knowledge that a DRUG IS A DRUG and that JUNKIE
> | THINKING is universal where DRUGS are concerned!
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | ROTFLMAO!
> | isn't it alcoholics that keep doing the same thing, but expect
> | different results?
> | ;)
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| Robert McGregor 2005-12-14, 10:51 am |
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"stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> As soon as Edmonton is a tropical paradise full of movie stars and
> I happen
> to think I'm Jesus Christ, that's when I consider cutting back on
> the
> Effexor, Bob...:-)
>
Jeez, wonder which of the other nine "apostles" is writing scripts
for that one!
Bob
"stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
http://tinyurl.com/asdly
>Ten of us share the same email and usenet identity,
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| stuart 2005-12-14, 10:51 am |
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Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Jeez, wonder which of the other nine "apostles" is writing scripts
> for that one!
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> Bob
You know Bob, I figure you got things pretty good living in Aussieland
there. Temperate climate, lots of sunshine. I figure you would be really
interested in alcoholism up here in what is referred to as the "Land of the
Midnight Sun" Quaint eh? It's also the "Land of the perennial night-time" at
other times during the year. Really does play havoc with the Vit D and
serotonin levels. I personally don't use anti-depressants, I learned a long
time ago to take advantage of the hour or two of brighter sunlight during
the day to get outside no matter how cold.
Michelin X-Ice tires also helps avoid getting into worse injuries in the
vehicle in winter as well, Bob. Just a tip for you.
PS we got a new fellow from Libya with us now and I noticed he's already
using the email...
Fred, Bob, Ryhad and the rest of the gang
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> "stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
> http://tinyurl.com/asdly
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| Been There Got A Mug 2005-12-14, 5:50 pm |
| study up "cross addiction".
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| Been There Got A Mug 2005-12-14, 5:50 pm |
| > non-addicitive marijuana
I'm sure the members of MA are glad to hear this.
Gee, I didn't alcohol was addictive either .. My last label
just seez 70% proof.
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| Sharx35 2005-12-15, 12:51 am |
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"stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43a00ab2_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
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> As soon as Edmonton is a tropical paradise full of movie stars and I
> happen
> to think I'm Jesus Christ, that's when I consider cutting back on the
> Effexor, Bob...:-)
>
Well, it's Dec. 14 and, here in Edmonton, in OUR yard, there is barely 1/4
inch of snow.
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| Robert McGregor 2005-12-15, 12:51 am |
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"Been There Got A Mug" <BeenThereGotAMug@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> study up "cross addiction".
>
Surely the most opportune time to discuss slipping into cross
addiction, albeit in a more appropriate newsgroup, is at Easter.
Conversely, it's festivus in my neighbourhood as in most if not all
regions where alt.recovery.addiction.alcoholism is read.
Many, be it ostensibly or religiously, have already commenced
drinking a wee toast or two, or three, or more, to the Christ who
turned water to wine. Alcohol abuse, although pertinent in an
alcoholism newsgroup such as this year round, is also the most
pertinent regional problem right now.
Brer Bob
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| Jennifer Juniper wrote:
> If someone took pain medication at a time when it was not prescribed,
> should their sobriety date be changed?
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well jennifer did you have a problem with pain
medication in the first place, and thought
yourself to be in recovery from it?
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