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Update on gift 'puter and LFS
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Mark, I finally got that gift computer booted up today. I had
spent some time trying to get it booted the weekend you handed it
off, but had been unsuccessful. At the time it recognized the
CD-ROM drive, and the bootloader on the LFS live CD took hold okay
and kicked off the boot process--but it had been ending with a
kernel panic. I tried it several times, got the same results, and
then ran out of spare time.
This morning I was able to get back to it (after working through
the ~4000 posts on araa from the last month). Got the same kernel
panic. After looking at the on-screen messages before the panic,
it became apparent the boot process was failing because the system
was timing out while trying to find the LFS CD. I took the drive
out and changed the jumper to cable select--same result. Next, I
swapped out another CD drive, and bingo! Seems odd it wouldn't
boot from the same CD drive that just ran the boot loader, but
there you have it.
Charlie, I'm able to boot to the LFS-live CD now, so will be
starting to try the building process. I don't expect I'll get
very far very fast, as I still have pretty heavy demands at work.
But at least I'm still headed the right direction.
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Ted H
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| Mark Warner 2006-09-17, 4:20 pm |
| Ted H wrote:
> Mark, I finally got that gift computer booted up today.
[...]
> Next, I
> swapped out another CD drive, and bingo! Seems odd it wouldn't
> boot from the same CD drive that just ran the boot loader, but
> there you have it.
Yes, that is strange. I had installed W2K on that box, I believe. CD
worked fine for that. <shrug>
Do you want a partial sausage refund?
I've downloaded this:
http://distrowatch.cz/?newsid=03703#0
Just waiting for a victim.
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Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying
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| Chronocidal Charlie 2006-09-17, 4:20 pm |
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Ted H wrote:
> Mark, I finally got that gift computer booted up today. I had
> spent some time trying to get it booted the weekend you handed it
> off, but had been unsuccessful. At the time it recognized the
> CD-ROM drive, and the bootloader on the LFS live CD took hold okay
> and kicked off the boot process--but it had been ending with a
> kernel panic. I tried it several times, got the same results, and
> then ran out of spare time.
>
> This morning I was able to get back to it (after working through
> the ~4000 posts on araa from the last month). Got the same kernel
> panic. After looking at the on-screen messages before the panic,
> it became apparent the boot process was failing because the system
> was timing out while trying to find the LFS CD. I took the drive
> out and changed the jumper to cable select--same result. Next, I
> swapped out another CD drive, and bingo! Seems odd it wouldn't
> boot from the same CD drive that just ran the boot loader, but
> there you have it.
>
> Charlie, I'm able to boot to the LFS-live CD now, so will be
> starting to try the building process. I don't expect I'll get
> very far very fast, as I still have pretty heavy demands at work.
> But at least I'm still headed the right direction.
>
Great! Keep me informed on your progress. I've had LFS back burnered on
low since I wasn't able to get that portion I mentioned to build on the
system I was fighting it on. I've run into that problem couple of times
with a slow retrieval CDROM in a system. Boots fine, but as you say,
while it's grinding away trying to get synced or what ever it is they
have to do, the kernel or system process will time out. Throw in a
faster, sometime even just a CDROM with a clean lens and up jump a
swagman or sumpin. ;-)
Got to show off some my time killing endeavors this morning, or what an
old *geek* looks like after having been up almost all night fighting
something he could have prolly solved in a matter of minutes by getting
on phone or VOIP with sumbuddy in Vienna or Onamdedamn Lower Slobovia
and saying, "Hey G'buddy. Charlie got prollems." But Nah, ain't no way
in hell an ex-drunk, egotistical old fart gonna resort to sumpin that
simple. No way Jose! Charlie gonna butt he head against the wall 'till
sumpin gives.
Having sumbudy stop by who will take a minute and listen and "Ohhhh and
Ahhhhh!" fer an instant and pat me on the head and say, "Yew doing good
Charlie" make it all worth while. ;-)
Kind of fun also having all my other old geeks and denizens of the Old
GNU Zoo around here peepen round corners wondering who them important
looking people driving that big black *Official* Foreign Emissary and
VIP looken automobile doing round here? Even had couple come out and
investigate. One even snuck in on pretext of borrowing spoon full of
coffee grounds and 'nuther show up with empty gas can as prop. ;-)
Well, back to grinding at Grammar and feeling *dead* from the waist
down. Gotta perfect and precisely pinpoint where the period ought to go
in the array of an ordinary day. ;-)
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| On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:39:40 -0400,
Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Ted H wrote:
> [...]
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> Yes, that is strange. I had installed W2K on that box, I believe. CD
> worked fine for that. <shrug>
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> Do you want a partial sausage refund?
Not at all, just sharing ES&H.  I think Charlie had a good
explanation for what was happening. The drive I swapped out was
several years newer.
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Ted H
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| Mark Warner 2006-09-17, 9:20 pm |
| Ted H wrote:
> Mark Warner wrote:
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> Not at all, just sharing ES&H. I think Charlie had a good
> explanation for what was happening. The drive I swapped out was
> several years newer.
Yeah, makes sense. I ran into some thing similar not long ago at work. I
was putting together a new basic box (case, mobo, cpu, etc...) but was
using peripherals from our collection of old junk. First CD drive I put
in just didn't seem to have enough oomph, and was dated something like
1999. Would spin up, but it took forever to get there, and I couldn't
get it to recognize the disk. Put in a more recent vintage CD drive, and
all was well.
Friday I brought home a 300MHz, 64MB, 4G beauty from work that had been
retired. Stuck in another stick of P100 64MB, and loaded Zenwalk 2.8.
Runs like a scalded dawg.
Oh, and at least you can take heart in the knowledge that you got beat
by a I-A division team.
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Mark Warner
SimplyMEPIS 6.0
Registered Linux User #415318
....lose .inhibitions when replying
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| On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:42:15 GMT,
Chronocidal Charlie <clewis4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> Ted H wrote:
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> Great! Keep me informed on your progress. I've had LFS back
> burnered on low since I wasn't able to get that portion I
> mentioned to build on the system I was fighting it on. I've run
> into that problem couple of times with a slow retrieval CDROM in
> a system. Boots fine, but as you say, while it's grinding away
> trying to get synced or what ever it is they have to do, the
> kernel or system process will time out. Throw in a faster,
> sometime even just a CDROM with a clean lens and up jump a
> swagman or sumpin. ;-)
Not much progress last night. Got the hard drive partitioned and
the filesystem installed, but got stuck on the first package.
Binutils reported as configuring okay, but the make process went
into an endless loop somehow--never seen anything like it before.
Looks like I'm gonna have to dig into the makefile and see if I
can figure out what the problem might be, but time for doing that
won't be available until the weekend.
Did you apply any of the patches as you went? The book doesn't
say much about it.
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Ted H
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| On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:17:24 -0400,
Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Friday I brought home a 300MHz, 64MB, 4G beauty from work that
> had been retired. Stuck in another stick of P100 64MB, and
> loaded Zenwalk 2.8. Runs like a scalded dawg.
Cool. I always get a real feeling of satisfaction from this sort
of accomplishment.
> Oh, and at least you can take heart in the knowledge that you
> got beat by a I-A division team.
Yeah, and a pretty good one, to boot. I had hoped for a better
outcome (I'm such an optimist), but the guys turned in a pretty
credible performance with a few things to provide encouragement
for the rest of the season.
FYI, I'm thinking of hitting the Arlington Group meeting tonight.
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Ted H
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| Chronocidal Charlie 2006-09-19, 2:20 am |
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Ted H wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:42:15 GMT,
> Chronocidal Charlie <clewis4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
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> Not much progress last night. Got the hard drive partitioned and
> the filesystem installed, but got stuck on the first package.
> Binutils reported as configuring okay, but the make process went
> into an endless loop somehow--never seen anything like it before.
> Looks like I'm gonna have to dig into the makefile and see if I
> can figure out what the problem might be, but time for doing that
> won't be available until the weekend.
>
> Did you apply any of the patches as you went? The book doesn't
> say much about it.
>
My understanding Ted was if following the instruction exactly as
outlined in the book, which I was doing lazy man's way, by running LFS
in the GUI XFCE4 WM that is part of the live disk, gotten to by the
startx command, and simply cutting and pasting each command sequence in
each step, that the required or necessary patches were being applied by
the scripts. From all indications I was getting they were. It's been a
few days though and my memory has become sort of fuzzy.
Binutils built fine for me, and I'd moved on into the build of the GCC
when I started having problems. Something to do with one of the c source
files, crtstuff.c I believe that was causing my error. As I stated at
that time, I wasn't able to find anything on the web or any LFS related
forums where anyone else had experienced the same. But, this was only a
few days after the initial release so there may have just been no one
else had attempted ti at that time. Surprisingly enough sometime with
even 6 billion or more people in the world, I on occasion come to the
conclusion that I may have been either the only one or only one out of
two or three.
Kind of scary, but sometime it do be do be doooooo. ;-)
Open Source is a good place for an ex-drunk that likes to sometime hang
onto his terminal uniqueness. ;-)
I'll prolly burn out on vmware in a day or so and get back to it. LFS
that is, not uniqueness.
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| On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:20:42 GMT,
Chronocidal Charlie <clewis4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
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> My understanding Ted was if following the instruction exactly as
> outlined in the book, which I was doing lazy man's way, by
> running LFS in the GUI XFCE4 WM that is part of the live disk,
> gotten to by the startx command, and simply cutting and pasting
> each command sequence in each step, that the required or
> necessary patches were being applied by the scripts. From all
> indications I was getting they were. It's been a few days though
> and my memory has become sort of fuzzy.
Okay, I took another shot at it from the command line tonight,
making sure to follow the directions from the book. Got the same
result when trying to build binutils--the ./configure finished
without complaint, but the make process ended with the message
"building Makefile" and then started over again in an endless
loop.
Guess I'll try binutils again this weekend from the GUI. If I get
that built I may revert to the command line. Thanks for the
encouragment, I'll keep you posted on progress (or lack thereof).
--
Ted H
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| On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:21:53 -0400,
Ted H <theo@heise.nu> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:20:42 GMT,
> Chronocidal Charlie <clewis4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Guess I'll try binutils again this weekend from the GUI. If I
> get that built I may revert to the command line. Thanks for the
> encouragment, I'll keep you posted on progress (or lack
> thereof).
Okay, *that* didn't work.
Startx after booting from the LFS live CD took several minutes to
get XFCE up, and then it didn't really want to do anything. It
occurred to me that it might not be the smartest plan to be trying
to build LFS and learn a Linux window manager at the same time, so
I figured I would make use of that Ubuntu CD.
Well duh, it isn't any better--guess I overlooked the fact that
this hardware isn't really cut out to run *any* contemporary GUI.
Guess I'll have to go back to CLI for LFS, and dive into READMEs
and stuff like that. Prolly going to be some time (if ever)
before I make any headway.
--
Ted H
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| On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:51:59 -0400,
Ted H <theo@heise.nu> wrote:
> Well duh, it isn't any better--guess I overlooked the fact that
> this hardware isn't really cut out to run *any* contemporary
> GUI. Guess I'll have to go back to CLI for LFS, and dive into
> READMEs and stuff like that. Prolly going to be some time (if
> ever) before I make any headway.
Okay Charlie, I made a little progress. Digging into the README
for binutils I learned the LFS book isn't quite right. It says to
create a separate directory in which to build binutils. The
README says you should build it *from* a separate directory. This
worked fine, and it took 30-40 minutes for the make process.
Guess that's 1 SBU on this box.
Unpacking gcc now, but will probably knock off for the night
before going too much farther.
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Ted H
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| Mark Warner 2006-09-24, 9:22 pm |
| Ted H wrote:
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> Well duh, it isn't any better--guess I overlooked the fact that
> this hardware isn't really cut out to run *any* contemporary GUI.
LOL! You tried to load Ubuntu on that clunker I pawned off on you???
Ubuntu sure ain't gonna work. In fact, I doubt there's anything I'd call
full featured that would. DSL might, but I've only really seriously
tried it on that old antique laptop of mine, and I never could get it to
connect (no PCMCIA support).
The least powerful machine I've successfully loaded a full featured GUI
distro (Zenwalk 2.8 -- Slack derivative) on is a 300MHz 128MB PII. It's
surprisingly quick. I need to get some more old clunkers in here to see
how low I can go.
There's another one I'm looking forward to trying:
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=03703#0
That old laptop of mine may be in for another workout.
--
Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying
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| On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:15:20 -0400,
Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Ted H wrote:
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> LOL! You tried to load Ubuntu on that clunker I pawned off on you???
Yeah. Can you tell I'm not one to always think things through
before diving in?
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Ted H
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