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tedw

2006-11-19, 4:30 pm


S. LaRocca wrote:
> "tedw" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote in news:1163883286.722941.277510
> @h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> I don't have the 4th edition... My copy is a little older(3rd edition),
> even so, what's the big XXXXing deal ? What does being gay have to do
> with getting sober, and working the 12 steps ?
>
> So, with your bias against gays, you're not going to be satisfied until
> AA turns them away because of their lifestyle ? If this is true, you're
> trying to play God... Can't you just put all of that shit aside ? Why do
> you even care ?
>
> To put your bias in perspective, it's like refusing to buy a washing
> machine from a store with a great reputation for service, and customer
> satisfaction because the salesperson was gay...
>
> Ted, I'm serious, and I'm not XXXXing with you... You really should talk
> to somebody neutral, neither an AA, or a Conservative Christian, and ask
> them if they believe you have a healthy outlook on this AA / Gay thing. I
> think you'll be surprised at what you hear coming back at you.


The 4th edition is available on line at
http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/

Im not "biased" against Gays as you put it. I never said AA should turn
them away. All Ive said is AA should not give tacit endorsement to
their sinful lifestyle, and it does. You've only been around AA for 23
years. You dont know how it used to be. The Gay Lifestyle was not
endorsed 30 years ago. There were not official gay AA meetings and no
official AA literature that endorses the lifestyle. There is now.

Working the 12 steps involves turning your will over to God. You cant
do that and be Gay. It also involves admitting your wrong. You cant
practicise the homosexual lifesyle and and do that either.

"To put your bias in perspective, it's like refusing to buy a washing
machine from a store with a great reputation for service, and customer

satisfaction because the salesperson was gay... "--------No, its not
like that at all.

I have a healthy outlook on the matter. I have heard all the arguments.


AA is much like the Apostate Christian Churches that accept
homosexuality. Its a sick organization in that respect.

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