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Does Truth matter?
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| Actually, I liked the Oprah Show with James Frey the other day even
though Im not a big fan of Oprah.
At the end she said Truth matters. Does Truth matter? Does Honesty
matter?
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| the otherside 2006-01-30, 10:59 am |
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"tedw" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Actually, I liked the Oprah Show with James Frey the other day even
> though Im not a big fan of Oprah.
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> At the end she said Truth matters. Does Truth matter? Does Honesty
> matter?
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"At the end"
the end of the day.
Jesus was the son of Julius Caesar.
Thou shalt not lie to yourself.
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| Does it matter you? Do we like to be lied to? Use the tool of
reciprocity to find your answer.
V (Male)
For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity, compulsive
spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write:
vfr44@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not
the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.
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V wrote:
> Does it matter you? Do we like to be lied to? Use the tool of
> reciprocity to find your answer.
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> V (Male)
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> For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity, compulsive
> spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write:
> vfr44@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not
> the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.
I know the answer. It was a topic for discussion. A good one here I
think since my perception is that Truth does not matter to most people
here.
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| Mark Warner 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| tedw wrote:
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> I know the answer. It was a topic for discussion. A good one here I
> think since my perception is that Truth does not matter to most people
> here.
It's your perception *OF* truth that doesn't matter.
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Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying
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| sportsfan 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| tedw wrote:
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> I know the answer. It was a topic for discussion. A good one here I
> think since my perception is that Truth does not matter to most people
> here.
truth matters, Truth does not matter.
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| Tommy 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| sportsfan wrote:
> tedw wrote:
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> truth matters, Truth does not matter.
I think Mark got it nearest to correct,
Perceptions of the perception of truth is what is important and debateable.
Now as to what matters - - hmm, I would like to define 'matter', 'most
people', a 'good one' etc.
Defining meanings and boundaries count, are important to a discussion and
prevents johnny hump ins ( a johhny jump in is different to a johnny jump
in, don't confuse them) interfering in a discussion.
FOr instance, I had a good one last night, but to most people, what matters
is that I fell asleep afterwards, and thats my perception of the truth of
the matter. I didn't come, though
Cheers
Tommy
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| Virtualoso 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| In article <1138389704.019294.260240@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> V wrote:
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> I know the answer. It was a topic for discussion. A good one here I
> think since my perception is that Truth does not matter to most people
> here.
Why would you keep participating, then?
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Virtualoso wrote:
> In article <1138389704.019294.260240@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Why would you keep participating, then?
Good question Virt. Based on my experience in AA /NA ,Truth does not
matter to most of the participants. Although occasionally sincere
seekers get caught up in the program. They are not satisfied with the
usual nonsensical answers of having a "disease" and solution which is
really just an addiction to meetings.
Ultimately that kind of person will drift away from AA looking for real
answers. I speak to that person. The one who wants the truth and wont
settle for platitudes and group think.
And they will have a testimony to the Truth in their heart.
But it is helpful to hear somebody on the outside saying, "All these
people are crazy. Alcoholism really isnt a "disease". I have been lied
to".
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
http://Christianrecovery.blogspot.com
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| Virtualoso 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| In article <1138436621.952229.230480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Virtualoso wrote:
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> Good question Virt. Based on my experience in AA /NA ,Truth does not
> matter to most of the participants. Although occasionally sincere
> seekers get caught up in the program. They are not satisfied with the
> usual nonsensical answers of having a "disease" and solution which is
> really just an addiction to meetings.
>
> Ultimately that kind of person will drift away from AA looking for real
> answers. I speak to that person. The one who wants the truth and wont
> settle for platitudes and group think.
> And they will have a testimony to the Truth in their heart.
>
> But it is helpful to hear somebody on the outside saying, "All these
> people are crazy. Alcoholism really isnt a "disease". I have been lied
> to".
I see. So you're just another one of that handful of internet
detrAActors that's missioned himself with Telling People that you
regard as sheepish morons, in the hopes of getting them to do what
you'd rather they do, instead of what you imagine someone else is.
How were those dolts doing before they ever got to AA/NA and ever heard
what anyone there had to say at all?
It's a bit ironic, too, since as you've told it, that wasn't how your
own experience has gone, either. I guess you figure that now that
you're better than all those people, you can just make up your own way
to go about sAAving others, instead.
Yet, here you obviously were faking a "discussion", cruising for people
to manipulate as you now admit. That's a ruse. A deception. I guess you
don't really think the truth matters, either.
So just who you imagine is going to find you doing that to be any
particular worthwhile thing is curious.
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Virtualoso wrote:
> In article <1138436621.952229.230480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I see. So you're just another one of that handful of internet
> detrAActors that's missioned himself with Telling People that you
> regard as sheepish morons, in the hopes of getting them to do what
> you'd rather they do, instead of what you imagine someone else is.
>
> How were those dolts doing before they ever got to AA/NA and ever heard
> what anyone there had to say at all?
>
> It's a bit ironic, too, since as you've told it, that wasn't how your
> own experience has gone, either. I guess you figure that now that
> you're better than all those people, you can just make up your own way
> to go about sAAving others, instead.
>
> Yet, here you obviously were faking a "discussion", cruising for people
> to manipulate as you now admit. That's a ruse. A deception. I guess you
> don't really think the truth matters, either.
>
> So just who you imagine is going to find you doing that to be any
> particular worthwhile thing is curious.
Virt your twisting things again. Many of the AA/NA's are better off
than before they started going. However, Im just trying to point out
its only a stage on the journey and that some of the things they have
been taught in AA are just not true.
I have said before and say again that AA/NA perform a service but its
not enough.
Here is a post on the subject on my website:
http://christianrecovery.blogspot.c...r-hill-gang.htm
AA has lost its way and has very little ability to look at itself. Most
of the people are defensive of any criticism of AA/NA , just like you.
AA has very little capacity for reform which it badly needs. Early AA
was a pretty good thing I think; modern AA is not.
As far as my own personal experience with AA/NA I did not really
receive the help I needed there. It gave me a place to go, encouraged
me not to drink or use, but did not ultimately give me what I needed.
Sobriety is not the same as a spiritual awakening.
I will even go so far as to say that there is a rare AA who goes and
eventually does wake up from their life long trance. However, that is
the exception not the rule.
As far as "cruising for people to manipulate", nothing could be less
true. I am merely speaking the truth as I see it.
Some of the ideas in the Big Book are true, but not all. If you
appreciate what I write, fine. If you dont, too bad for you.
All the best
Ted W.
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Virtualoso wrote:
> In article <1138436621.952229.230480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I see. So you're just another one of that handful of internet
> detrAActors that's missioned himself with Telling People that you
> regard as sheepish morons, in the hopes of getting them to do what
> you'd rather they do, instead of what you imagine someone else is.
>
> How were those dolts doing before they ever got to AA/NA and ever heard
> what anyone there had to say at all?
>
> It's a bit ironic, too, since as you've told it, that wasn't how your
> own experience has gone, either. I guess you figure that now that
> you're better than all those people, you can just make up your own way
> to go about sAAving others, instead.
>
> Yet, here you obviously were faking a "discussion", cruising for people
> to manipulate as you now admit. That's a ruse. A deception. I guess you
> don't really think the truth matters, either.
>
> So just who you imagine is going to find you doing that to be any
> particular worthwhile thing is curious.
Virt your twisting things again. Many of the AA/NA's are better off
than before they started going. However, Im just trying to point out
its only a stage on the journey and that some of the things they have
been taught in AA are just not true.
I have said before and say again that AA/NA perform a service but its
not enough.
Here is a post on the subject on my website:
http://christianrecovery.blogspot.c...r-hill-gang.htm
AA has lost its way and has very little ability to look at itself. Most
of the people are defensive of any criticism of AA/NA , just like you.
AA has very little capacity for reform which it badly needs. Early AA
was a pretty good thing I think; modern AA is not.
As far as my own personal experience with AA/NA I did not really
receive the help I needed there. It gave me a place to go, encouraged
me not to drink or use, but did not ultimately give me what I needed.
Sobriety is not the same as a spiritual awakening.
I will even go so far as to say that there is a rare AA who goes and
eventually does wake up from their life long trance. However, that is
the exception not the rule.
As far as "cruising for people to manipulate", nothing could be less
true. I am merely speaking the truth as I see it.
Some of the ideas in the Big Book are true, but not all. If you
appreciate what I write, fine. If you dont, too bad for you.
All the best
Ted W.
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Virtualoso wrote:
> In article <1138436621.952229.230480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>
> I see. So you're just another one of that handful of internet
> detrAActors that's missioned himself with Telling People that you
> regard as sheepish morons, in the hopes of getting them to do what
> you'd rather they do, instead of what you imagine someone else is.
>
> How were those dolts doing before they ever got to AA/NA and ever heard
> what anyone there had to say at all?
>
> It's a bit ironic, too, since as you've told it, that wasn't how your
> own experience has gone, either. I guess you figure that now that
> you're better than all those people, you can just make up your own way
> to go about sAAving others, instead.
>
> Yet, here you obviously were faking a "discussion", cruising for people
> to manipulate as you now admit. That's a ruse. A deception. I guess you
> don't really think the truth matters, either.
>
> So just who you imagine is going to find you doing that to be any
> particular worthwhile thing is curious.
Virt your twisting things again. Many of the AA/NA's are better off
than before they started going. However, Im just trying to point out
its only a stage on the journey and that some of the things they have
been taught in AA are just not true.
I have said before and say again that AA/NA perform a service but its
not enough.
Here is a post on the subject on my website:
http://christianrecovery.blogspot.c...r-hill-gang.htm
AA has lost its way and has very little ability to look at itself. Most
of the people are defensive of any criticism of AA/NA , just like you.
AA has very little capacity for reform which it badly needs. Early AA
was a pretty good thing I think; modern AA is not.
As far as my own personal experience with AA/NA I did not really
receive the help I needed there. It gave me a place to go, encouraged
me not to drink or use, but did not ultimately give me what I needed.
Sobriety is not the same as a spiritual awakening.
I will even go so far as to say that there is a rare AA who goes and
eventually does wake up from their life long trance. However, that is
the exception not the rule.
As far as "cruising for people to manipulate", nothing could be less
true. I am merely speaking the truth as I see it.
Some of the ideas in the Big Book are true, but not all. If you
appreciate what I write, fine. If you dont, too bad for you.
All the best
Ted W.
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Virtualoso wrote:
> In article <1138436621.952229.230480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I see. So you're just another one of that handful of internet
> detrAActors that's missioned himself with Telling People that you
> regard as sheepish morons, in the hopes of getting them to do what
> you'd rather they do, instead of what you imagine someone else is.
>
> How were those dolts doing before they ever got to AA/NA and ever heard
> what anyone there had to say at all?
>
> It's a bit ironic, too, since as you've told it, that wasn't how your
> own experience has gone, either. I guess you figure that now that
> you're better than all those people, you can just make up your own way
> to go about sAAving others, instead.
>
> Yet, here you obviously were faking a "discussion", cruising for people
> to manipulate as you now admit. That's a ruse. A deception. I guess you
> don't really think the truth matters, either.
>
> So just who you imagine is going to find you doing that to be any
> particular worthwhile thing is curious.
Virt your twisting things again. Many of the AA/NA's are better off
than before they started going. However, Im just trying to point out
its only a stage on the journey and that some of the things they have
been taught in AA are just not true.
I have said before and say again that AA/NA perform a service but its
not enough.
Here is a post on the subject on my website:
http://christianrecovery.blogspot.c...r-hill-gang.htm
AA has lost its way and has very little ability to look at itself. Most
of the people are defensive of any criticism of AA/NA , just like you.
AA has very little capacity for reform which it badly needs. Early AA
was a pretty good thing I think; modern AA is not.
As far as my own personal experience with AA/NA I did not really
receive the help I needed there. It gave me a place to go, encouraged
me not to drink or use, but did not ultimately give me what I needed.
Sobriety is not the same as a spiritual awakening.
I will even go so far as to say that there is a rare AA who goes and
eventually does wake up from their life long trance. However, that is
the exception not the rule.
As far as "cruising for people to manipulate", nothing could be less
true. I am merely speaking the truth as I see it.
Some of the ideas in the Big Book are true, but not all. If you
appreciate what I write, fine. If you dont, too bad for you.
All the best
Ted W.
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| Truth matters, just so long as you're not interested in a long career in
the world of politics.
Peace,
Tim
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| Tim wrote:
> Truth matters, just so long as you're not interested in a long career in
> the world of politics.
The Fallen Legion:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8929
Since almost the day he assumed power, George W. Bush has left a trail
of broken careers in his wake. However defined, the casualties of the
Bush administration are legion.
The numbers of government careers wrecked, disrupted, adversely
affected, or tossed into turmoil as a result of this administration’s
wars, budgets, policies, and programs is impossible to determine.
Although every administration leaves bodies strewn in its wake, none in
recent memory has come close to the Bush administration in producing so
many public statements of resignation, dissatisfaction, or anger over
treatment or policies.
Disillusionment with the current state of affairs at FEMA was cited as
the major cause for the mass defections. In fact, a February 2004 survey
by the American Federation of Government Employees found that 80% of a
sample of remaining employees said FEMA had become “a poorer agency”
since being shifted into the Bush-created Department of Homeland
Security.
What happened to FEMA has happened, in ways large and small,
to many other federal agencies. In an article by Amanda Griscom in Grist
magazine, Jeff Ruch, the executive director of Public Employees for
Environmental Responsibility, made reference to the “unusually high”
rate of replacement of scientists in government agencies during the Bush
administration. “If the scientist gives the inconvenient answer they
commit career suicide,” he said.
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| Mark Warner 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| tedw wrote:
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> Some of the ideas in the Big Book are true, but not all. If you
> appreciate what I write, fine. If you dont, too bad for you.
Read: If you don't agree with me, you're doomed.
--
Mark Warner
Xandros v3.0.2 OCE
lose .inhibitions when replying
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| Virtualoso 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| In article <1138471843.919332.167050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
tedw <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Virtualoso wrote:
>
> Virt your twisting things again.
I'm just addressing the plain obvious in plain talk. You are doing the
twisting and spinning of things.
> Many of the AA/NA's are better off
> than before they started going. However, Im just trying to point out
> its only a stage on the journey and that some of the things they have
> been taught in AA are just not true.
On some basis that there's anyone to point such a thing out to, or that
you are anyone to be doing any such thing, or that anyone regards you
as such, or that anyone that's such a mindless dupe would hear
something from you, rather than anyone else, and suddenly swallow your
gig rather than others.
The whole weird gambit that you crAAnks operate on, that your oddball
deals online has some Importance to some imagined people, who you
condescendingly patronize, yet fantasize that once they see it posted
in obscure newsgroups is loopy, ted. In quite a few years, I've never
once seen that happen with a single person. And you're not the first to
mission yourself like this.
> I have said before and say again that AA/NA perform a service but its
> not enough.
Except for those it is. Whatever "enough" might mean. Which each person
determines for themself, of course, just as it should be. If there are
any mindless dupes awakening out of being a mindless dupe, then maybe
they won't relapse back into it by getting suckered by online crAAnks,
either.
> Here is a post on the subject on my website: ...
We don't need you to republish your website here, nor to constantly be
promoting it here. In fact, the Truth is that it's inappropriate for
you to keep doing so, as well as your religious proselytizing. If you
might sometime decide the truth matters.
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| Virtualoso 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| In article <1138471850.548207.48630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, tedw
<tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> As far as "cruising for people to manipulate", nothing could be less
> true. I am merely speaking the truth as I see it.
You just admitted you were cruising for people to manipulate, just as
you explained who you imagine them to be and what your manipulation is.
No doubt about. That you're so untruthful and sneaky and presumptuous
and a liar doesn't make it any less true or unfortunate. Nor does it
incarnate your imaginary people to dominate and control as you'd like.
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| Virtualoso 2006-01-30, 11:00 am |
| In article <1138471860.361071.51920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tedw
<tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Virtualoso wrote:
>
> ....
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> I have said before and say again ...
You sure did. FOUR repeated "replies" to my one post this time. I
must've really nailed ya' to earn four ted spams!
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