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| I think most dependency consolers could find a problem in anyone no matter
what, when, or how much they drink. After all it's in their best interest
to do so. Their jobs depend on such diagnosis.
Also, the saying misery loves company is never so apparent as when you go to
an AA meeting.
Just an opinion of mine.
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| stuart 2005-01-27, 6:09 am |
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"gary" <gary@comcast.com> wrote in message
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>I think most dependency consolers could find a problem in anyone no matter
> what, when, or how much they drink. After all it's in their best interest
> to do so. Their jobs depend on such diagnosis.
>
> Also, the saying misery loves company is never so apparent as when you go
> to
> an AA meeting.
You fit right in did ya? You didn't happen to notice ANYONE in the meeting
who wasn't miserable? Maybe you didn't notice....
>
> Just an opinion of mine.
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| gary wrote:
> I think most dependency consolers could find a problem in anyone no matter
> what, when, or how much they drink. After all it's in their best interest
> to do so. Their jobs depend on such diagnosis.
My shrink pal says a good therapist like a good parent should make
themselves progressively less necessary. Dependency counselors are not
the only ones with this conflict and it's only part of the problem, the
very human problem.
> Also, the saying misery loves company is never so apparent as when you go to
> an AA meeting.
"Never"? Au contraire. Do you not have a favorite watering hole you
can flash back on?
> Just an opinion of mine.
Lets put ours together, throw in a five spot and see what's shaking over
at Starbucks.
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| cadman@wits.end 2005-01-27, 6:09 am |
| gary wrote:
> I think most dependency consolers could find a problem in anyone no matter
> what, when, or how much they drink. After all it's in their best interest
> to do so. Their jobs depend on such diagnosis.
>
> Also, the saying misery loves company is never so apparent as when you go to
> an AA meeting.
>
> Just an opinion of mine.
>
>
Hmmm...well, at least here in New York state, the actual diagnosis of an
alcohol problem - good ol' 303.90 in yer basic DSM IV - is not up to the
counselor (I've never really "consoled" anyone on their addiction...I
don't think) but is determined by either an M.D. or a Social Worker. In
some cases (like our unit) it needs a sign-off by both.
Course, the same deal could apply...both the Social Worker and the unit
physician are employed there.
In my few years of experience, however, I've only seen 2 cases where
people were admitted who didn't have a real problem. One was a young
girl who's problem was actually Borderline Personality Disorder (a la
"Girl Interrupted") but whose parents preferred the addiction diagnosis
over the stigma of mental imbalance; the other was an elderly gentleman,
run into the E.R. after a fall down his basement stairs - and an alert
E.R. nurse noticed beer on his breath (he was in the habit of having a -
as in one - beer every now & then). Neither one of them lasted 2 days in
our program before they were discharged...
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| I'm sorry, but I should have said Social Worker? I don't know but I do know
the definition of Alcoholic is so big just about anyone could at one time be
labeled it if they drank at all.
"cadman@wits.end" <tALLDOUBTmarlowe@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> gary wrote:
>
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> Hmmm...well, at least here in New York state, the actual diagnosis of an
> alcohol problem - good ol' 303.90 in yer basic DSM IV - is not up to the
> counselor (I've never really "consoled" anyone on their addiction...I
> don't think) but is determined by either an M.D. or a Social Worker. In
> some cases (like our unit) it needs a sign-off by both.
>
> Course, the same deal could apply...both the Social Worker and the unit
> physician are employed there.
>
> In my few years of experience, however, I've only seen 2 cases where
> people were admitted who didn't have a real problem. One was a young
> girl who's problem was actually Borderline Personality Disorder (a la
> "Girl Interrupted") but whose parents preferred the addiction diagnosis
> over the stigma of mental imbalance; the other was an elderly gentleman,
> run into the E.R. after a fall down his basement stairs - and an alert
> E.R. nurse noticed beer on his breath (he was in the habit of having a -
> as in one - beer every now & then). Neither one of them lasted 2 days in
> our program before they were discharged...
>
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| On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:44:47 GMT, "gary" <gary@comcast.com> wrote:
>I'm sorry, but I should have said Social Worker? I don't know but I do know
>the definition of Alcoholic is so big just about anyone could at one time be
>labeled it if they drank at all.
It's like going to the dentist....even if they don't fine any bad ones
they want to line you up at least for a cleaning.
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