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| Mollypup 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors every once in
a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the program?
================================================================
I am on #3.
--
- Sandy
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| Mollypup wrote:
> Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors every once in
> a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the program?
>
Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a
single reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking for one.
--
Kai
"Come, muse, let us sing of rats!"
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| Kai R wrote:
|| Mollypup wrote:
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||| Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors
||| every once in a while? How many sponsors have you had since
||| entering the program?
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|| Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a
|| single reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking
|| for one.
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|| --
|| Kai
Go figure! Couldn't find anyone to enable your insanity, eh?
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|| "Come, muse, let us sing of rats!"
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| On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:11:35 -0500, "Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com>
wrote:
>Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors every once in
>a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the program?
>
YBNormal?
>================================================================
>
>I am on #3.
I've had 3. Al B. died unexpectedly when I had about 5 months sober.
I was devastated.
Old Bob T. adopted me, and he was a real gift. He's been gone for 21
years now and I still miss him.
The 3rd was a woman who was very active in service, etc. It didn't
work out very well.
Don't think I'll be trying agian.
Kimba
--
"It's a god-eat-god world."
-- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| in 22yrs, i have had two sponsors.
--
"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though
I wasn't here."
.................................george w. bush
"Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com> wrote in message
news:cnbr13015gc@news4.newsguy.com...
: Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors
every once in
: a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the
program?
:
: ================================================================
:
: I am on #3.
:
: --
: - Sandy
:
:
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| kimba,
do you have someone that you talk about yourself and your recovery
to specifically, to replace your sponsor?
--
"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though
I wasn't here."
.................................george w. bush
"Kimba" <kimbagolightly@fuggedaboutit.net> wrote in message
news:ctojp0le1kijuvs858tqrutv2h4nlej9o2@4ax.com...
: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:11:35 -0500, "Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com>
: wrote:
:
: >Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors
every once in
: >a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the
program?
: >
: YBNormal?
: >================================================================
: >
: >I am on #3.
:
: I've had 3. Al B. died unexpectedly when I had about 5 months
sober.
: I was devastated.
:
: Old Bob T. adopted me, and he was a real gift. He's been gone for
21
: years now and I still miss him.
:
: The 3rd was a woman who was very active in service, etc. It
didn't
: work out very well.
:
: Don't think I'll be trying agian.
:
: Kimba
:
: --
:
: "It's a god-eat-god world."
:
: -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
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| Craig S. 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| "Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com> wrote in message
news:cnbr13015gc@news4.newsguy.com...
> Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors every once
in
> a while?
*Normal* practice is for somebody ask a person to be their sponsor, tell
everybody they *have* a sponsor, then promptly *ignore* the "sponsor" until
they are too embarrassed to consider them a sponsor any longer. The process
is then repeated. How many times it's repeated depends on the level of
one's self-confidence as evidenced by the importance one places on keeping
up appearances. True growth is attained with the realization of, 'This is
just plain silly - a sponsor is obviously not a prerequisite to abstinence
and nobody who really matters gives a damn whether I have a sponsor or not.'
"And the best sponsors are really delighted when the newcomer is able to
step out past the stage of being sponsored. Not that we ever have to go it
altogether alone. But the time does come when even a young bird must use its
own wings and start its own family. Happy flying!"
-- from Living Sober --
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| ColoNel Polyps 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
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"Kai R" <me@privacy.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:cnc6os$q11$2@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
> Mollypup wrote:
>
once in[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a
> single reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking for
one.
To thine own self be true. Becoming self less will you find less
selfish.
Get phone numbers and use them. Especially with the ones you see at your
meetings who are having trouble. Stay away from people who have all the
answers. Capitalists.
I had a sponsor who stole everything I owned. I had another sponsor who
conned me into getting a blood test to prove to him I was sober and that
I was not chemically imbalanced like so many righteous people. And then
he robbed me of my food. Thats when I left Houston. This guy was an
olympic gold medal boxer who wore a suit and acted like a businessman. A
piece of crap.
AA is full of the biggest con artists drug addicts and scum bags in the
police states, so be careful. One guy I met in houston was arrested in
florida for murder. He changed his name to "Heil Hitler" during his
trial.
Now one of them is president.
I never had a real sponsor and I do not want one. I have enough of my
own troubles.
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| Kai R <> regaled me with ``(*^(\)
> Mollypup wrote:
>
>
> Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a
> single reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking
> for one.
I often thought about that, getting a sponsor - well it seemed the thing that
all well minded pontificators did, and did well. If/when they came up with a
bit of 'tough stuff' they always referred to what their sponsor told them :-)
I perused a few of the guys round here, I once thought about RF, but she wanted
too much physical contact. Also she was abused and its been my experience that
abusees turn out to be abusers. A few emails from the Witch and I got out of
that, fast..
All the other potential sponsors were either anti-thumpers, anti-thumper-antis,
or anti-anti-thumpers, gawd sure I didn't even know what a thump was. Then it
struck me, thumpees turn into thumpers, see the light, get blinded and wear
anti-glare glasses, with the mirror on the wrong side.
Like sponsees become sponsors, its all done with mirrors I tell you.
PS a thought struck me, we don't get this sponsor/sponsee business over here,
nor so much in the UK or the continent either. Its scarcely mentioned at all.
Its obviously a yankee thing. Seeing if you can get one that had one, that had
one that had one that had Bill Wilson. Smoke and mirrors guys :-))
Cheers
Tommy
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"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@iamanywhere.com> wrote in message
news:2vuv33F2q6ke4U1@uni-berlin.de...
> PS a thought struck me, we don't get this sponsor/sponsee business
over here,
> nor so much in the UK or the continent either.
At the meetings I've been going to here in East Surrey, UK, I've heard
many times folk being encouraged to get a Sponsor. I think I remember
being asked for the first tme whether I had one after I had been going
to meetings for only one or two weeks. At times, I got the impression
that some folk were so determined to get newcomers fixed up with a
Sponsor that they resorted to using "high-pressure salesman
techniques" on them. I could be wrong.
JB
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| Tommy 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| In news:cndmai$cce$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk,
JB <> regaled me with ``(*^(\)
>
> At the meetings I've been going to here in East Surrey, UK, I've
> heard many times folk being encouraged to get a Sponsor. I think I
> remember being asked for the first tme whether I had one after I
> had been going to meetings for only one or two weeks. At times, I
> got the impression that some folk were so determined to get
> newcomers fixed up with a Sponsor that they resorted to using
> "high-pressure salesman techniques" on them. I could be wrong.
>
> JB
Aha, I think they probably gang up on newcomers "for your own good mind you".
I'd encourage you or anyone fairly new to keep your eyes and ears open. If it
sounds too good to be true, then it probably definitely is. So, how do we know
who the winners are? - I knew immediately who the bullshitters were. The very
same bullshitters that stood lording it at the bar. Only difference was they
now had a sober audience. Ironic though, some of the smug self satisfied
buggers taught me a lot, when my mind cleared enough.
But encouraging you and high pressuring you are 2 sides of a coin yes?
My very best advice ever, was to read the Doctors Opinion, get it off by heart
nearly. It's a great eye-opener when we're tempted.
I miss meetings a bit. People who don't go to meetings never find out what
happens to people who don't go to meetings. Am I going to become a statistic.
Heh heh, I can't win - if I don't drink, I'm a statistic, if I do drink, I'm
still a statistic. Hell even when I die, I'm a statistic.
Cheers No 1238877655434343
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| Henry van Cleef 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| In article <cnbr13015gc@news4.newsguy.com>,
Mollypup <Mollypup1atemessendotcom> wrote:
>Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors every once in
>a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the program?
>
>================================================================
>
>I am on #3.
>
>--
>- Sandy
>
Two. Arthur H., died (not unexpectedly) when I was 8 months. Ed H.
came off the Bowery in '54, and was "one of us" for the next 46 years.
Couple of wonderful laid-back guys who lived life to the fullest.
Doubt that there'll be a #3.
Hank
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| Jack G 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
|
"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@iamanywhere.com> wrote in message
news:2vvellF2qaj4dU1@uni-berlin.de...
> In news:cndmai$cce$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk,
> JB <> regaled me with ``(*^(\)
>
> Aha, I think they probably gang up on newcomers "for your own good mind
you".
>
> I'd encourage you or anyone fairly new to keep your eyes and ears open.
If it
> sounds too good to be true, then it probably definitely is. So, how do we
know
> who the winners are? - I knew immediately who the bullshitters were.
The very
> same bullshitters that stood lording it at the bar. Only difference was
they
> now had a sober audience. Ironic though, some of the smug self satisfied
> buggers taught me a lot, when my mind cleared enough.
>
> But encouraging you and high pressuring you are 2 sides of a coin yes?
> My very best advice ever, was to read the Doctors Opinion, get it off by
heart
> nearly. It's a great eye-opener when we're tempted.
>
> I miss meetings a bit. People who don't go to meetings never find out
what
> happens to people who don't go to meetings. Am I going to become a
statistic.
> Heh heh, I can't win - if I don't drink, I'm a statistic, if I do drink,
I'm
> still a statistic. Hell even when I die, I'm a statistic.
People who go to meetings don't find out what happens to the people who
don't go to meetings either. Not all of them anyway.
We know about the ones who make it back and say 'I stopped going to meetings
and I drank again'. (seems real common) The ones that stopped going to
meetings and don't drink we don't hear much about.
I always wonder though how many people do stop going to meetings and live
sober content lives. If you take what you hear in the rooms at face value,
the rule is - if you stop going to meetings you will drink. But how do we
know that? People don't stop in to say 'Hey folks I haven't been to a
meeting in 5 years and it's cool!'. But why would they? They also don't
stop in and say 'Hey I dropped out of this group, have been drinking
successfully and happily for 5 years! Suckers!'
By the way, I have nothing against meetings. I go regularly and enjoy most
of them in some way. They do help me.
Jack.
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| On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:51:28 -0500, "Craig S."
<cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutmtneer.net> wrote:
>
>"And the best sponsors are really delighted when the newcomer is able to
>step out past the stage of being sponsored. Not that we ever have to go it
>altogether alone. But the time does come when even a young bird must use its
>own wings and start its own family. Happy flying!"
>-- from Living Sober --
I enjoyed reading this when I was new ....of course it's stuff like
this that gets 'Living Sober' on the aa but not aa literature list.
Hah ha!
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| Grace H. 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| in article cnc6os$q11$2@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi, Kai R at
me@privacy.net.invalid wrote on 11/15/04 10:29 PM:
> Mollypup wrote:
>
>
> Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a
> single reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking for one.
I haven't had one for 13 years or so.
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| Jack G wrote:
> People who go to meetings don't find out what happens to the people who
> don't go to meetings either. Not all of them anyway.
> We know about the ones who make it back and say 'I stopped going to meetings
> and I drank again'. (seems real common) The ones that stopped going to
> meetings and don't drink we don't hear much about.
Some do. But only because I'm pretty loud. And talky. And I like to
debate.
So I find lots of ways to acknowledge that I stopped going to meetings
more than 4 1/2 years ago and still haven't had a drink.
Though I have to say that the *spirit* of the program is far more a part
of my day to day life than it was when I was merely going through the
motions....so that's probably why.
> I always wonder though how many people do stop going to meetings and live
> sober content lives. If you take what you hear in the rooms at face value,
> the rule is - if you stop going to meetings you will drink.
I stopped going to meetings for significant periods twice in my
sobriety. The first time I stopped out of frustration, boredom and a
little bit of rebellion. I also believed what I had been told about "dry
drunks" and about working the program the "Right Way"....so I set myself
up for being on a dry drunk the whole time. Mission accomplished. The
second time, I *chose* to stop going to meetings. I really chose it. I
was done. Maybe for awhile, maybe forever. I had no idea. I wanted to
find out more of who *I* was rather than the person I convinced myself I
needed to be in order to be "ok". Still finding out. Still sober. Works
for me. I could see how that wouldn't work for everyone. But then again,
neither does AA.
> But how do we
> know that? People don't stop in to say 'Hey folks I haven't been to a
> meeting in 5 years and it's cool!'. But why would they? They also don't
> stop in and say 'Hey I dropped out of this group, have been drinking
> successfully and happily for 5 years! Suckers!'
>
> By the way, I have nothing against meetings. I go regularly and enjoy most
> of them in some way. They do help me.
Cool!
Tara
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| "Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com> wrote in message news:<cnbr13015gc@news4.newsguy.com>...
> Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors every once in
> a while? How many sponsors have you had since entering the program?
>
> ================================================================
>
> I am on #3.
I had several great teachers my first few years,my current sponsor is
God.I have reached the point where I have concious contact with Him
most of the time.
"Sepp"
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| On 16 Nov 2004 20:24:13 -0800, SeppDietrich@comcast.net (Sepp) wrote:
>"Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com> wrote in message news:<cnbr13015gc@news4.newsguy.com>...
>
> I had several great teachers my first few years,my current sponsor is
>God.I have reached the point where I have concious contact with Him
>most of the time.
>"Sepp"
zzzguess Reese was wrong about the HP / Hitler thingy afterall.
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| Kai R 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| Sepp wrote:
>
> I had several great teachers my first few years,my current sponsor is
> God.I have reached the point where I have concious contact with Him
> most of the time.
> "Sepp"
Say, has Adolf shaved that awful moustache away already?
--
Kai
"Come, muse, let us sing of rats!"
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| Sepp wrote:
> I had several great teachers my first few years,my current sponsor is
> God.I have reached the point where I have concious contact with Him
> most of the time.
Me and my old drinking buddy Hector used to get drunk every Friday.
When we were too drunk to walk we would pray for God to send us a taxi.
Hector had little faith. After only a few prayers he would say, it's
no use Frank, He concious.
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| Mollypup 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| >
> zzzguess Reese was wrong about the HP / Hitler thingy afterall.
>
Hey - whatever happened to Reese?
--
- Sandy
"When God closes one door, another always opens - but sometimes it's
*hell* in the hallway..."
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| Grace H. wrote:
|| in article cnc6os$q11$2@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi, Kai R at
|| me@privacy.net.invalid wrote on 11/15/04 10:29 PM:
||
||| Mollypup wrote:
|||
|||| Is it considered normal practice for people to switch sponsors
|||| every once in a while? How many sponsors have you had since
|||| entering the program?
||||
|||
||| Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a
||| single reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking
||| for one.
||
|| I haven't had one for 13 years or so.
Admittedly, I sometimes wonder, after 24 years, whether I still need one.
How do YOU vote on my continuing to have a sponsor, Grace?
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| Jack G 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
|
"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:419ACB2A.F83BE334@verizon.net...
> Jack G wrote:
>
meetings[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Some do. But only because I'm pretty loud. And talky. And I like to
> debate.
>
> So I find lots of ways to acknowledge that I stopped going to meetings
> more than 4 1/2 years ago and still haven't had a drink.
>
> Though I have to say that the *spirit* of the program is far more a part
> of my day to day life than it was when I was merely going through the
> motions....so that's probably why.
>
live[vbcol=seagreen]
value,[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I stopped going to meetings for significant periods twice in my
> sobriety. The first time I stopped out of frustration, boredom and a
> little bit of rebellion. I also believed what I had been told about "dry
> drunks" and about working the program the "Right Way"....so I set myself
> up for being on a dry drunk the whole time. Mission accomplished. The
> second time, I *chose* to stop going to meetings. I really chose it. I
> was done. Maybe for awhile, maybe forever. I had no idea. I wanted to
> find out more of who *I* was rather than the person I convinced myself I
> needed to be in order to be "ok". Still finding out. Still sober. Works
> for me. I could see how that wouldn't work for everyone. But then again,
> neither does AA.
>
Tara,
Thanks for the reply. That is exactly what I wonder about. How many people
just like yourself.
I have to wonder about something while I sit in those boring-XXX meetings
 . I get that twinge of boredom and/or frustration you mentioned too.
Peace,
Jack.
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| On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:15:46 -0500, "Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com>
wrote:
>Hey - whatever happened to Reese?
I think he & Buddy went to visit Daniel in Boston and decided to stay
and get married.
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| Lech K. Lesiak 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Tommy wrote:
> I miss meetings a bit. People who don't go to meetings never find out what
> happens to people who don't go to meetings. Am I going to become a statistic.
Not always true.
When I lived in Calgary, I often ran into people who I knew from meetings
who had stopped going.
Many were sober and appeared quite content with life.
The Blessed Frank, my sponsor, told me early on that he knew people around
town who no longer went, but associated with AA members outside of
meetings.
One guy with 30+ years only came to a meeting when he was bringing in a
FNG.
Cheers,
Lech
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| : >............. People who don't go to meetings never find out
: what
: > happens to people who don't go to meetings.
| |
|
| rosie readandpost wrote:
>
> : >............. People who don't go to meetings never find out
> : what
> : > happens to people who don't go to meetings.
>
>
I have no idea what this smiley is supposed to mean here. Care to
elaborate?
Tara
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
expression in quite a long time.
i believe it to be true, at least for me!
--
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME!
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:419B8948.EC8B9E83@verizon.net...
: rosie readandpost wrote:
: >
: > : >............. People who don't go to meetings never find out
: > : what
: > : > happens to people who don't go to meetings.
: >
: >
:
: I have no idea what this smiley is supposed to mean here. Care to
: elaborate?
:
: Tara
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| Robert McGregor 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
|
" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message news:_KMmd.48063$ye4.9932@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
> expression in quite a long time.
> i believe it to be true, at least for me!
>
Really? If you ever get around to trying reading as well as
proclaiming, you may even find enlightenment, right here.
Bob
> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:419B8948.EC8B9E83@verizon.net...
> : rosie readandpost wrote:
> : >
> : > : >............. People who don't go to meetings never find
> out
> : > : what
> : > : > happens to people who don't go to meetings.
> : >
> : >
> :
> : I have no idea what this smiley is supposed to mean here. Care to
> : elaborate?
> :
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| rosie readandpost wrote:
>
> it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
> expression in quite a long time.
> i believe it to be true, at least for me!
You mean you don't go to meetings either?
Cool.
Tara
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"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> rosie readandpost wrote:
>
> You mean you don't go to meetings either?
>
> Cool.
>
> Tara
Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor ?
JB
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| JB wrote:
>
> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
>
> Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor ?
After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
Tara
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"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:419BE340.29476348@verizon.net...
> JB wrote:
>
> After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
> IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
>
> Tara
Thank you. FWIW, I no longer get in touch with my Sponsor about
matters that relate to my recovery as often as I did during my first
year after quitting drinking; However, I think that if I did not
contact this person at times when I thought that I could benefit from
their knowledge/wisdom I'd be acting foolishly.
JB
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| Robert McGregor 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
|
"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
>
> Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor ?
>
" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message news:YYf9d.132911$6h7.109224@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> A.A. Thought For The Day
>
> Do I put too much reliance on any one member of the group?
> That is, do I make a tin god out of some one person? Do I
> set that person on a pedestal? If I do, I am building my
> house on sand. A.A. members have "clay feet." They are all
> only one drink away from a drunk, no matter how long they
> have been in A.A. This has been proved to be true more than
> once. It's not fair to any member to be singled out as a
> leader in A A. and to always quote that member on the A.A.
> program. If that person should fail, where would I be?
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| GaryE 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:21 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:
>
>Thank you. FWIW, I no longer get in touch with my Sponsor about
>matters that relate to my recovery as often as I did during my first
>year after quitting drinking; However, I think that if I did not
>contact this person at times when I thought that I could benefit from
>their knowledge/wisdom I'd be acting foolishly.
>
>JB
>
Try getting a civilian friend. They're OK too. Life is actually more
than AA unless, of course, that's all you want it to be.
Best,
GaryE
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"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:302b48F1ia6tfU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:cngkm0$39r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
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>
> " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:YYf9d.132911$6h7.109224@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
My Sponsor has told me to think of them as being someone who is only
able to share what they have learnt through being in AA and working
the 12 Steps. This person has never given me the impression that they
think that are always right or that being a Sponsor fulfils a need
they have to have power over another human being. Not every Sponsor
I've met has given me those impressions.
Often during the first year I worked with my Sponsor I wondered how
I'd be able to manage without them. On one occasion when I told them
this, their reply suggested to me that if I continued working the 12
Steps, I could eventually find myself with no feelings of being
dependent upon them. I know that I am less so than I used to be and
also that I have come to regard my Sponsor as being a trusted,
closed-mouthed friend rather than someone who is God-like.
JB
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"GaryE" <garyexxxnospam@nadaswbell.net> wrote in message
news:2ptnp09kt6mvp3au8p2618gj8te9i6v7dv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:21 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
wrote:
>
>
first[vbcol=seagreen]
from[vbcol=seagreen]
> Try getting a civilian friend. They're OK too. Life is actually
more
> than AA unless, of course, that's all you want it to be.
>
>
> Best,
> GaryE
Dear Gary,
Why would I want only one civilian friend when I already have more
than that ? :^)
I agree with your idea that life is actually more than AA and if you
knew what my life today is like, maybe you would not have thought it
necessary to point this out to me :^)
Best regards
JB
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| Grace H. 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| in article 419BE340.29476348@verizon.net, Tara at taragreen2@verizon.net
wrote on 11/17/04 3:51 PM:
> JB wrote:
>
> After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
> IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
>
> Tara
Heresy! You will probably get drunk, Missy.
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| GaryE 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:14:53 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Gary,
>
>Why would I want only one civilian friend when I already have more
>than that ? :^)
Sometimes I get myopic....(:>
>I agree with your idea that life is actually more than AA and if you
>knew what my life today is like, maybe you would not have thought it
>necessary to point this out to me :^)
Sometimes I get myopic.....(:<
>
>Best regards
>
>JB
>
One eyed Gar (+)
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| Mollypup 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| Tom wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:15:46 -0500, "Mollypup" <Mollypup1@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I think he & Buddy went to visit Daniel in Boston and decided to stay
> and get married.
>
Did he and Kim ever get married?
--
- Sandy
"When God closes one door, another always opens - but sometimes it's
*hell* in the hallway..."
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| Henry van Cleef 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| In article <_KMmd.48063$ye4.9932@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
rosie readandpost <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
>it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
>expression in quite a long time.
>i believe it to be true, at least for me!
>
Proof positive that seniority becomes meaningless after a while.
Recovery does have a past tense. I use it.
Hank
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| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| Lech K. Lesiak wrote:
|| On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Tommy wrote:
||
||| I miss meetings a bit. People who don't go to meetings never find
||| out what happens to people who don't go to meetings. Am I going to
||| become a statistic.
||
|| Not always true.
||
|| When I lived in Calgary, I often ran into people who I knew from
|| meetings who had stopped going.
||
|| Many were sober and appeared quite content with life.
The key phrase is, "APPEARED quite content with life". BETCHa, dollars to
doughnuts, that if you could be a fly on the wall of their office, home,
car, etc..things would NOT be that way in reality. You have to continue to
GIVE it away, if you are going to keep it. Step 12, BTW.
||
|| The Blessed Frank, my sponsor, told me early on that he knew people
|| around town who no longer went, but associated with AA members
|| outside of meetings.
Sort of AA lite.
||
|| One guy with 30+ years only came to a meeting when he was bringing
|| in a FNG.
||
|| Cheers,
|| Lech
| |
| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| rosie readandpost wrote:
|| it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
|| expression in quite a long time.
|| i believe it to be true, at least for me!
We are in agreement.
||
|| --
|| SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME!
|| http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
For every COALITION fatality, there are at least ONE THOUSAND
terrorist/insurgent fatalities. Get used to it, war is hell, and people die
on both sides. Don't be so lily livered. If people like you had their way
during WWII, the US would have retreated homewards.
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
|| "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
|| news:419B8948.EC8B9E83@verizon.net...
||| rosie readandpost wrote:
||||
|||||| ............. People who don't go to meetings never find out
|||||| what happens to people who don't go to meetings.
||||
||||
|||
||| I have no idea what this smiley is supposed to mean here. Care to
||| elaborate?
|||
||| Tara
| |
| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| Tara wrote:
|| rosie readandpost wrote:
|||
||| it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
||| expression in quite a long time.
||| i believe it to be true, at least for me!
||
|| You mean you don't go to meetings either?
||
|| Cool.
||
|| Tara
Your XXXXX like attitude speaks volume, Tara. Lose your attitude, soon.
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| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| Tara wrote:
|| JB wrote:
|||
||| "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
||| news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
|||| rosie readandpost wrote:
|||||
||||| it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
||||| expression in quite a long time.
||||| i believe it to be true, at least for me!
||||
|||| You mean you don't go to meetings either?
||||
|||| Cool.
||||
|||| Tara
|||
||| Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor ?
||
|| After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
|| IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
||
|| Tara
YOUR attitude indicates that YOU are still in need of close supervision.
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| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| JB wrote:
|| "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
|| news:419BE340.29476348@verizon.net...
||| JB wrote:
||||
|||| "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
|||| news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
||||| rosie readandpost wrote:
||||||
|||||| it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
|||||| expression in quite a long time.
|||||| i believe it to be true, at least for me!
|||||
||||| You mean you don't go to meetings either?
|||||
||||| Cool.
|||||
||||| Tara
||||
|||| Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor ?
|||
||| After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
||| IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
|||
||| Tara
||
|| Thank you. FWIW, I no longer get in touch with my Sponsor about
|| matters that relate to my recovery as often as I did during my first
|| year after quitting drinking; However, I think that if I did not
|| contact this person at times when I thought that I could benefit from
|| their knowledge/wisdom I'd be acting foolishly.
||
|| JB
Well said. As one absorbs the program, obviously one has less contact..sort
of similar to a child HOPEFULLY growing in wisdom and stature..
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| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| GaryE wrote:
|| On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:21 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:
||
||
|||
||| Thank you. FWIW, I no longer get in touch with my Sponsor about
||| matters that relate to my recovery as often as I did during my first
||| year after quitting drinking; However, I think that if I did not
||| contact this person at times when I thought that I could benefit
||| from their knowledge/wisdom I'd be acting foolishly.
|||
||| JB
|||
|| Try getting a civilian friend. They're OK too. Life is actually
|| more than AA unless, of course, that's all you want it to be.
||
||
|| Best,
|| GaryE
Read and study the meaning of Step 12, please.
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| hydroentity 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| Grace H. wrote:
|| in article 419BE340.29476348@verizon.net, Tara at
|| taragreen2@verizon.net wrote on 11/17/04 3:51 PM:
||
||| JB wrote:
||||
|||| "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
|||| news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
||||| rosie readandpost wrote:
||||||
|||||| it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
|||||| expression in quite a long time.
|||||| i believe it to be true, at least for me!
|||||
||||| You mean you don't go to meetings either?
|||||
||||| Cool.
|||||
||||| Tara
||||
|||| Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor ?
|||
||| After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
||| IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
|||
||| Tara
||
|| Heresy! You will probably get drunk, Missy.
Or "XXXXX slapped".
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| no, i DO go to meetings, and being around those who have gone back
out, and hearing their stories, is another little tool!
--
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME!
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
: rosie readandpost wrote:
: >
: > it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
: > expression in quite a long time.
: > i believe it to be true, at least for me!
:
: You mean you don't go to meetings either?
:
: Cool.
:
: Tara
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
|
"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:419BE340.29476348@verizon.net...
: JB wrote:
: >
: > "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
: > > rosie readandpost wrote:
: > > >
: > > > it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
: > > > expression in quite a long time.
: > > > i believe it to be true, at least for me!
: > >
: > > You mean you don't go to meetings either?
: > >
: > > Cool.
: > >
: > > Tara
: >
: > Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor
?
:
: After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
: IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
:
: Tara
JB asks yet another strange question.......................i have
had a sponsor for the last 22 yrs.
| |
| rosie readandpost 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| : || SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME!
: || http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
:
: For every COALITION fatality, there are at least ONE THOUSAND
: terrorist/insurgent fatalities. Get used to it, war is hell, and
people die
: on both sides. Don't be so lily livered. If people like you had
their way
: during WWII, the US would have retreated homewards.
:
:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
| |
|
| Having a sponsor is not written into the program of AA, nor is it
necessary to work the program.
Just as in the real world - in the AA world you benefit much more by
helping rather than by being helped. It is the working with others and
helping that is necessary to get the benefits of the program. Can one
get sober without a sponsor? Absolutely. Could one stay sober without
being a sponsor? Probably, but I would think it would be pretty
stagnant and a person could get awfully disillusioned that way.
I have said many times - sponsorship is for the sponsor. When I work
with a newcomer it is he who is helping me learn about myself and stay
sober - not the other way around. which is why I am grateful to them
and treat them with the respect they deserve. (Just wish everyone would
do so)
Kai R wrote:
> Mollypup wrote:
>
>
> Not a single one. After several failed attempts at finding even a single
> reference to sponsors in the AA program, I stopped looking for one.
>
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| ColoNel Polyps 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
|
"Joe" <joeraisin@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10pp4taogmu1q20@corp.supernews.com...
> I have said many times - sponsorship is for the sponsor. When I work
No shit.
Do you have any idea how many times they have ripped me off?
voodoo disease 666
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|
| " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Zf0nd.48156$ye4.6286@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:419BE340.29476348@verizon.net...
> : JB wrote:
> : >
> : > "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> : > news:419BD1DC.EB5B5EEC@verizon.net...
> : > > rosie readandpost wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > it brought a smile to my face, because i haven't heard that
> : > > > expression in quite a long time.
> : > > > i believe it to be true, at least for me!
> : > >
> : > > You mean you don't go to meetings either?
> : > >
> : > > Cool.
> : > >
> : > > Tara
> : >
> : > Would it also be cool if Rosie doesn't currently have a Sponsor
> ?
> :
> : After a certain length of time, sponsors are often irrelevant,
> : IMO.....so it wouldn't matter.
> :
> : Tara
>
>
> JB asks yet another strange question.......................i have
> had a sponsor for the last 22 yrs.
>
Are you sure about that ?
From: rosie readandpost (readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com)
Date: 2004-11-16 04:24:13 PST
in 22yrs, i have had two sponsors.
----------
BTW, until now few here know that you decided to kill file me
immediately after our recent discussion on the other ARAA about the
meaning of the term "black market" in which you insisted that in the
USA selling drugs "to get high" (street drugs) is different
than buying them on "the black market .
At this point I'm thinking getting even sometimes tastes sweet :^)
JB
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| Lech K. Lesiak 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Joe wrote:
> I have said many times - sponsorship is for the sponsor. When I work
> with a newcomer it is he who is helping me learn about myself and stay
> sober - not the other way around. which is why I am grateful to them
Not in my experience - it's for both. Who gets more out of it depends on
the inndividual case.
Cheers,
Lech
| |
| hydroentity 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
| Lech K. Lesiak wrote:
|| On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Joe wrote:
||
||| I have said many times - sponsorship is for the sponsor. When I
||| work with a newcomer it is he who is helping me learn about myself
||| and stay sober - not the other way around. which is why I am
||| grateful to them
||
|| Not in my experience - it's for both. Who gets more out of it
|| depends on the inndividual case.
||
|| Cheers,
|| Lech
I'd have to agree with Lech...this time.
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