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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
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Twenty-Four Hours A Day
A.A. Thought For The Day
I am less sensitive and my feelings are less easily hurt. I no
longer take myself so
seriously. It didn't use to take much to insult me, to feel that I
had been slighted or
left on the outside. What happens to me now is not so important. One
cause of our
drinking was because we couldn't take it, so we escaped the
unpleasant situation. We
have learned to take it on the chin if necessary and smile. When I
am all wrapped
up in A.A., I do not notice the personal slights so much. They do
not seem to matter so
much. I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
childish. Am I less sensitive?
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| Robert McGregor 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
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" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> ***********************************************************
>
> Twenty-Four Hours A Day
>I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
> childish. Am I less sensitive?
From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net>
>actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term
>experience with
>the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
>i have however had to take several different meds as each once
>finally
>"wears out" and i need to change.
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| "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<2vrti1F2o496pU1@uni-berlin.de>...[vbcol=seagreen]
> " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
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> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net>
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>
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Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
"Sepp"
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| afraid not 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
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"Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
| the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
| sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
| "Sepp"
what a ridiculous statement!
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| Robert McGregor 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
"afraid not" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6fb5cc91.0411151548.6419fd7c@posting.google.com...
> ||
> | Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to
> change
> | the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
> | sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
> | "Sepp"
>
>
>
> what a ridiculous statement!
>
From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>YES, whatever works!
>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
>drink/drug,
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| Tim and Lisa 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> ***********************************************************
>
> Twenty-Four Hours A Day
>
> A.A. Thought For The Day
>
> I am less sensitive and my feelings are less easily hurt. I no
> longer take myself so
> seriously. It didn't use to take much to insult me, to feel that I
> had been slighted or
> left on the outside. What happens to me now is not so important. One
> cause of our
> drinking was because we couldn't take it, so we escaped the
> unpleasant situation. We
> have learned to take it on the chin if necessary and smile. When I
> am all wrapped
> up in A.A., I do not notice the personal slights so much. They do
> not seem to matter so
> much. I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
> childish. Am I less sensitive?
>
>
>
>
>
This is oh so true, to this I can attest! I am less self-centered, no
longer thinking the world revolves around me. I am less sensitive to what
others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with whom I am
closely connected. I do not have to run and hide from anything any more. I
have found peace of mind and a sense of freedom that I have never known.
Thank God for the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous!!!
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| Sepp wrote:
|| "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
|| news:<2vrti1F2o496pU1@uni-berlin.de>...
||| " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
||| message news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
|||| ***********************************************************
||||
|||| Twenty-Four Hours A Day
|||| I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
|||| childish. Am I less sensitive?
|||
||| From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
||| Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net>
|||
|||
|||
|||| actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term
|||| experience with
|||
|||| the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
|||
|||| i have however had to take several different meds as each once
|||| finally
|||
|||| "wears out" and i need to change.
||
|| Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
|| the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
|| sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
|| "Sepp"
AYUP!
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| Tim and Lisa wrote:
|| " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
|| message news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
||| ***********************************************************
|||
||| Twenty-Four Hours A Day
|||
||| A.A. Thought For The Day
|||
||| I am less sensitive and my feelings are less easily hurt. I no
||| longer take myself so
||| seriously. It didn't use to take much to insult me, to feel that I
||| had been slighted or
||| left on the outside. What happens to me now is not so important. One
||| cause of our
||| drinking was because we couldn't take it, so we escaped the
||| unpleasant situation. We
||| have learned to take it on the chin if necessary and smile. When I
||| am all wrapped
||| up in A.A., I do not notice the personal slights so much. They do
||| not seem to matter so
||| much. I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
||| childish. Am I less sensitive?
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
|| This is oh so true, to this I can attest! I am less self-centered,
|| no longer thinking the world revolves around me. I am less
|| sensitive to what others think of me because I have but one ultimate
|| authority with whom I am closely connected. I do not have to run
|| and hide from anything any more. I have found peace of mind and a
|| sense of freedom that I have never known. Thank God for the 12 step
|| program of Alcoholics Anonymous!!!
AYEMEN brother! AYEmen sister!
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| Sepp wrote:
> Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
> the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
> sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I ever
did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that from time to
time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather than to someone with
more time than the pontificator.
Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up around
here all that often.
Tara
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| Grace H. 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| in article 41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net, Tara at taragreen2@verizon.net
wrote on 11/15/04 7:02 PM:
> Sepp wrote:
>
>
> And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I ever
> did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that from time to
> time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather than to someone with
> more time than the pontificator.
>
> Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up around
> here all that often.
>
> Tara
A friend of mine has a pretty bad bipolar problem, which he has learned to
control with medication. Early in sobriety (we got sober around the same
time) some XXXXXXX told him he couldn't be sober if he took meds and all he
needed to do was to work the steps and pray. Well - f course he went off his
meds and ended up in the hospital after a manic episode that involved the
police and a whole lot of other crap. He never went off his meds after that.
He realized that for him, recovery included doing whatever he had to do to
stay on an even keel.
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| Tim and Lisa wrote:
> " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> This is oh so true, to this I can attest! I am less self-centered, no
> longer thinking the world revolves around me. I am less sensitive to what
> others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with whom I am
> closely connected.
GW Bush?
Crusty
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| Tim and Lisa 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
"F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:sUemd.6111$GV5.4924@trnddc04...
> Tim and Lisa wrote:
>
> GW Bush?
>
> Crusty
LOL - Well, you got the first letter right.
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| ColoNel Polyps 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
"Grace H." <graceh@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:BDBEB2AD.28FB%graceh@spiritone.com...
> in article 41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net, Tara at
taragreen2@verizon.net
> wrote on 11/15/04 7:02 PM:
>
ever[vbcol=seagreen]
time to[vbcol=seagreen]
with[vbcol=seagreen]
around[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> A friend of mine has a pretty bad bipolar problem, which he has
learned to
> control with medication. Early in sobriety (we got sober around the
same
> time) some XXXXXXX told him he couldn't be sober if he took meds and
all he
> needed to do was to work the steps and pray. Well - f course he went
off his
> meds and ended up in the hospital after a manic episode that involved
the
> police and a whole lot of other crap. He never went off his meds after
that.
> He realized that for him, recovery included doing whatever he had to
do to
> stay on an even keel.
I had quacks trying to give me a load of that crap before.
I do not like to take drugs. I used to love to drink. I remember
bringing a cooler to high school.
Hey but if you gotta take them take them. The christian government
quacks got my brothers to take them. One of them is dead because of the
drugs and another is addicted to oxys due to a back operation.
I need a lawyer before I get any back operation. I do not want an xfile
wannabe digging around in my back for an antique microchip George Bush
Senior, George Bush junior and Richard Nixon stuck there in 1982.
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| Tim and Lisa wrote:
> "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:sUemd.6111$GV5.4924@trnddc04...
>
>
>
> LOL - Well, you got the first letter right.
Thou shalt not kill.
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| afraid not 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2vt4h1F2pmdheU1@uni-berlin.de...
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| "afraid not" <not@home.com> wrote in message
| news:2vt1bcF2m2672U1@uni-berlin.de...
| >
| > "Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
| > news:6fb5cc91.0411151548.6419fd7c@posting.google.com...
| > ||
| > | Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to
| > change
| > | the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
| > | sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
| > | "Sepp"
| >
| >
| >
| > what a ridiculous statement!
| >
|
|
| From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
|
| Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
|
| >YES, whatever works!
|
| >i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
|
| >drink/drug,
So I can safely assume that you are another from the "pills are for dills"
brigade? My, how it must be to be ignorant!
| |
| Henry van Cleef 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| In article <nqdmd.46696$jo2.21120@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Tim and Lisa <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>This is oh so true, to this I can attest! I am less self-centered, no
>longer thinking the world revolves around me. I am less sensitive to what
>others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with whom I am
>closely connected. I do not have to run and hide from anything any more. I
>have found peace of mind and a sense of freedom that I have never known.
>Thank God for the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous!!!
>
>
Well well, I do declare. Beauregard Bugleboy has spoken.
Walt Kelly Hank
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| Henry van Cleef 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| In article <41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net>,
Tara <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote:
>Sepp wrote:
>
>
>And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I ever
>did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that from time to
>time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather than to someone with
>more time than the pontificator.
>
>Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up around
>here all that often.
>
I guess Clancy hasn't been around to straighten you out on this.
Hank
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|
| Tara wrote:
|| Sepp wrote:
||
||| Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
||| the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
||| sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
||
|| And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I
|| ever did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that
|| from time to time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather
|| than to someone with more time than the pontificator.
||
|| Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up
|| around here all that often.
||
|| Tara
PROPERLY prescribed medication DOES have its place in the life of SOME
recoverying alcoholics. However, ALL too many alcoholics bullshit physicians
into getting a prescription for the easier, softer way.
| |
|
| Grace H. wrote:
|| in article 41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net, Tara at
|| taragreen2@verizon.net wrote on 11/15/04 7:02 PM:
||
||| Sepp wrote:
|||
|||| Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
|||| the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
|||| sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
|||
||| And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I
||| ever did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that
||| from time to time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather
||| than to someone with more time than the pontificator.
|||
||| Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up
||| around here all that often.
|||
||| Tara
||
|| A friend of mine has a pretty bad bipolar problem, which he has
|| learned to control with medication. Early in sobriety (we got sober
|| around the same time) some XXXXXXX told him he couldn't be sober if
|| he took meds and all he needed to do was to work the steps and pray.
|| Well - f course he went off his meds and ended up in the hospital
|| after a manic episode that involved the police and a whole lot of
|| other crap. He never went off his meds after that. He realized that
|| for him, recovery included doing whatever he had to do to stay on an
|| even keel.
Obviousy, those with brain chemicals WAY out of whack DO need CAREFULLY
controlled prescription medication.
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|
|
"Tim and Lisa" <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:nqdmd.46696$jo2.21120@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I am less sensitive to what
> others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with
whom I am
> closely connected.
Beware that connection;^)
"The minute I figure I have got a perfectly clear pipeline to God, I
have become egotistical enough to get into real trouble. Nobody can
cause more needless grief than a power-driver who thinks he has got it
straight from God."
(ABSI, page 38)
JB
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| YUP!
--
"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though
I wasn't here."
.................................george w. bush
"afraid not" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:2vt1bcF2m2672U1@uni-berlin.de...
:
: "Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:6fb5cc91.0411151548.6419fd7c@posting.google.com...
: ||
: | Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to
change
: | the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
: | sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
: | "Sepp"
:
:
:
: what a ridiculous statement!
:
:
:
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
: || Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to
change
: || the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
: || sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
: || "Sepp"
ROTFLMAO!
hey sepp, walk up to any person in AA who is diabetic and tell them
to:
"Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable sponsor and you won't have
to self medicate."
LOL!
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| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| we have a "clancy type" RIGID meeting in these parts, where that "no
antidepressant" crap is spewed by some pontificators.
i have personal knowledge of one of the suicides caused by them.
that particular group caused a lawsuit to be brought against AA,
bringing "the GSO powers that be" to wisconsin to investigate and
remind folks that they are violating TRADITIONS by having an opinion
on "outside issues"
--
rosie
p.s.
in my early sobriety, i did everything i could to NOT take the
prescribed medications, believing that i was not doing "recovery the
right way", and that was the cause for periods of "extreme sadness,
apathy, insomnia, agitation, to mention a few symptoms.
after five years of that crap, on my way to a meeting, (in the
parking lot) i had what i call a "mini break" in the arms of an
old-timer, who drove me home, where my husband called my doctor, and
treatment was started.
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| Earthlink News Server 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| rosie readandpost wrote:
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> hey sepp, walk up to any person in AA who is diabetic and tell them
> to:
> "Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable sponsor and you won't have
> to self medicate."
>
> LOL!
Hmmm.. I'm a diabetic, and I sure wouldn't consider myself sober if (as the
post above says) "you are popping pills to change the way you face reality."
Of course, my insulin is in shots, not pills..... 
| |
| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
| However, ALL too many alcoholics bullshit physicians
: into getting a prescription for the easier, softer way.
:
it is only those who do not suffer from depression and do not have
to take medications that think that medication "is the easier,
softer, way".
antidepressants DO NOT offer that effect!
| |
| rosie readandpost 2004-11-16, 3:58 pm |
|
: > ROTFLMAO!
: > hey sepp, walk up to any person in AA who is diabetic and tell
them
: > to:
: > "Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable sponsor and you won't
have
: > to self medicate."
: >
: > LOL!
:
: Hmmm.. I'm a diabetic, and I sure wouldn't consider myself sober
if (as the
: post above says) "you are popping pills to change the way you face
reality."
:
: Of course, my insulin is in shots, not pills.....
:
:
yeah, and i'm on regular old wellbutrin.................oh and some
lexapro, just to "fly a little higher"!
OH MY GOD (hp).......i just realized, i'm an also taking PREMARIN!
rosie
< hanging her head in shame>
;)
| |
|
| Earthlink News Server wrote:
>
> rosie readandpost wrote:
>
> Hmmm.. I'm a diabetic, and I sure wouldn't consider myself sober if (as the
> post above says) "you are popping pills to change the way you face reality."
>
> Of course, my insulin is in shots, not pills.....
So your mood doesn't change at all when in the throes of seriously low
blood sugar or during high insulin levels? You're just even keeled, with
nothing more than your energy level effected?
Riiiight.
Blood sugar has a profound impact on how reality is perceived as well as
faced. The more extreme the swings, the more extreme the impact. The
milder the extremes....etc.
Tara
| |
|
| Tara <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net>...
> Sepp wrote:
>
>
> And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I ever
> did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that from time to
> time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather than to someone with
> more time than the pontificator.
>
> Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up around
> here all that often.
>
> Tara
At the local Alano Club they require people taking medications for
mental illness to state the medications names when they introduce
themselves.It's done this way "My name is Rosie,I'm an alcoholic and I
take lithium,haldol,phenobarbital,prozac,and paxil."This is done to
alert the other members that this person is going to share some
bizzare things in all probability and perhaps exhibit strange
behavior.We had trouble with parents dropping off their grown mentally
ill offspring at the club and picking up the clowns on their way home
from work.
"Sepp"
| |
|
| Sepp wrote:
>
> Tara <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net>...
>
> At the local Alano Club they require people taking medications for
> mental illness to state the medications names when they introduce
> themselves.It's done this way "My name is Rosie,I'm an alcoholic and I
> take lithium,haldol,phenobarbital,prozac,and paxil."
You would think that a thumper like yourself would at least have a
passing acquaintance with the AA traditions. Odd.
> This is done to
> alert the other members that this person is going to share some
> bizzare things in all probability and perhaps exhibit strange
> behavior.We had trouble with parents dropping off their grown mentally
> ill offspring at the club and picking up the clowns on their way home
> from work.
Were they alcoholics?
Tara
| |
| Kai R 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
| Tara wrote:
>
> Blood sugar has a profound impact on how reality is perceived as well as
> faced. The more extreme the swings, the more extreme the impact. The
> milder the extremes....etc.
>
Laying ground for the Twinkie defense?
--
Kai
"Come, muse, let us sing of rats!"
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| ColoNel Polyps 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
|
" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xwlmd.50262$Df1.11853@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> we have a "clancy type" RIGID meeting in these parts, where that "no
> antidepressant" crap is spewed by some pontificators.
> i have personal knowledge of one of the suicides caused by them.
> that particular group caused a lawsuit to be brought against AA,
> bringing "the GSO powers that be" to wisconsin to investigate and
> remind folks that they are violating TRADITIONS by having an opinion
> on "outside issues"
>
> --
>
> rosie
> p.s.
> in my early sobriety, i did everything i could to NOT take the
> prescribed medications, believing that i was not doing "recovery the
> right way", and that was the cause for periods of "extreme sadness,
> apathy, insomnia, agitation, to mention a few symptoms.
>
> after five years of that crap, on my way to a meeting, (in the
> parking lot) i had what i call a "mini break" in the arms of an
> old-timer, who drove me home, where my husband called my doctor, and
> treatment was started.
Drugs are a necessity for some people. My brother wanted to smoke pot
but the government would not let him. They sent him to the VA hospital
and brain washed his head with a bunch of AA/NA crap and gave him a
fortune in drugs. He died from anti-marijuana drugs in Wisconsin.
Another brother is addicted to Oxycotin becasue of back surgery the
government screwed up on.
They wanted to operate on my back for a herniated disk but I know they
want to remove the microchip that George Bush and the secret servcie
stuck there in 1982. The quacks would most likely screw it up so I would
need a lawyer before I let them touch my back again. Who knows what kind
of drug they would addict me too?
My family did bongs with George Washington at Valley Forge.
Exterminate the christian government.
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| Robert McGregor 2004-11-17, 11:07 am |
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" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
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> we have a "clancy type" RIGID meeting in these parts, where that
> "no
> antidepressant" crap is spewed by some pontificators.
> i have personal knowledge of one of the suicides caused by them.
> that particular group caused a lawsuit to be brought against AA,
> bringing "the GSO powers that be" to wisconsin to investigate and
> remind folks that they are violating TRADITIONS by having an
> opinion
> on "outside issues"
>
> --
Jeez, you are still building your reputation as phony rosie.
According to AA,
http://www.aa.org/default/en_about_...id=20&pageid=24
"the Twelve Traditions are not specifically binding on any group or
groups"
rosie wrote:
> May 28, 2004
> I have neither the right, nor the responsibility, to judge
> others. Depending on my attitude I can view newcomers to
> A.A., family members and friends as menaces or as teachers.
> When I think of some of my past judgments, it is clear how
> my self-righteousness caused me spiritual harm.
Regardless, you have been repeatedly spewing your own pro drug crap,
both here, and apparantly when you actually presented as a
spokesperson for A.A., Dr Rosie LPN
From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
Message-ID: <hDhJa.101902$Xl.1865164@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>because of this, i was asked by NEW YORK to speak on the subject at
>our
>INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE in san diego.
>(i don't say this to brag, but rather to inform you, that GENERAL
>SERVICE is
>quite concerned about alcoholics giving
>this advice to ANYONE)
Yep, you're a slut
Message-ID: 49O9b.744$eX1.277@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com
Bob
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| Kai R wrote:
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> Tara wrote:
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> Laying ground for the Twinkie defense?
SHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Jaysus. With friends like these.....
Tara
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| John Droge 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
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"Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> At the local Alano Club they require people taking medications for
> mental illness to state the medications names when they introduce
> themselves.
> .We had trouble with parents dropping off their grown mentally
> ill offspring at the club and picking up the clowns on their way home
> from work.
> "Sepp"
Ah I see, as opposed to --"My name is Sepp. I hide behind the nom de news
group of a Nazi war criminal. I'm as sane as the swine's name I use whose
troops slaughtered American POWs at Malmedy"
John
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| Lech K. Lesiak 2004-11-18, 11:07 am |
| On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, John Droge wrote:
> Ah I see, as opposed to --"My name is Sepp. I hide behind the nom de news
> group of a Nazi war criminal. I'm as sane as the swine's name I use whose
> troops slaughtered American POWs at Malmedy"
I find it instructive that all Usians know about and bring up Malmedy, but
never mention Paul Fussel's description of 'The Great Turkey Shoot'.
For them as ain't read Fussel, it's his description of GI's shooting
surrendered, unarmed German soldiers in a ravine in northern France.
Fussel was a Lt platoon leader who landed after D-Day.
Good book, but apologists for the military won't approve.
Cheers,
Lech
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| "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<byVmd.29168$KJ6.26988@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6fb5cc91.0411162037.41f469be@posting.google.com...
> Ah I see, as opposed to --"My name is Sepp. I hide behind the nom de news
> group of a Nazi war criminal. I'm as sane as the swine's name I use whose
> troops slaughtered American POWs at Malmedy"
> John
6000 men honored him at his funeral,that's 6000 more than will be
there when they throw your drunk XXX in for a dirt nap.Har,Har!
"Sepp"
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| Robert McGregor 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
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" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
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> ***********************************************************
>
> Twenty-Four Hours A Day
>I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
> childish. Am I less sensitive?
From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net>
>actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term
>experience with
>the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
>i have however had to take several different meds as each once
>finally
>"wears out" and i need to change.
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| afraid not 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
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"Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
| the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
| sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
| "Sepp"
what a ridiculous statement!
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| ColoNel Polyps 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
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"Grace H." <graceh@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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> in article 41996D24.F72A76BD@verizon.net, Tara at
taragreen2@verizon.net
> wrote on 11/15/04 7:02 PM:
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> A friend of mine has a pretty bad bipolar problem, which he has
learned to
> control with medication. Early in sobriety (we got sober around the
same
> time) some XXXXXXX told him he couldn't be sober if he took meds and
all he
> needed to do was to work the steps and pray. Well - f course he went
off his
> meds and ended up in the hospital after a manic episode that involved
the
> police and a whole lot of other crap. He never went off his meds after
that.
> He realized that for him, recovery included doing whatever he had to
do to
> stay on an even keel.
I had quacks trying to give me a load of that crap before.
I do not like to take drugs. I used to love to drink. I remember
bringing a cooler to high school.
Hey but if you gotta take them take them. The christian government
quacks got my brothers to take them. One of them is dead because of the
drugs and another is addicted to oxys due to a back operation.
I need a lawyer before I get any back operation. I do not want an xfile
wannabe digging around in my back for an antique microchip George Bush
Senior, George Bush junior and Richard Nixon stuck there in 1982.
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| afraid not 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
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"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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| "afraid not" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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| > "Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
| > news:6fb5cc91.0411151548.6419fd7c@posting.google.com...
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| > | Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to
| > change
| > | the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
| > | sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
| > | "Sepp"
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| > what a ridiculous statement!
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| From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
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| Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
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| >YES, whatever works!
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| >i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
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| >drink/drug,
So I can safely assume that you are another from the "pills are for dills"
brigade? My, how it must be to be ignorant!
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| Henry van Cleef 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
| In article <nqdmd.46696$jo2.21120@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Tim and Lisa <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote:
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>" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:312md.49095$Df1.6334@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>This is oh so true, to this I can attest! I am less self-centered, no
>longer thinking the world revolves around me. I am less sensitive to what
>others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with whom I am
>closely connected. I do not have to run and hide from anything any more. I
>have found peace of mind and a sense of freedom that I have never known.
>Thank God for the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous!!!
>
>
Well well, I do declare. Beauregard Bugleboy has spoken.
Walt Kelly Hank
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| Tara wrote:
|| Sepp wrote:
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||| Then you can't claim to be sober if you are popping pills to change
||| the way you face reality.Work the 12 steps with a knowledgeable
||| sponsor and you won't have to self medicate.
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|| And that right there is one of the biggest loads of ignorant crap I
|| ever did hear within the walls of a meeting. And I did hear that
|| from time to time. Almost always spoken "down the ladder" rather
|| than to someone with more time than the pontificator.
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|| Thankfully for those that need it, this mentality doesn't pop up
|| around here all that often.
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|| Tara
PROPERLY prescribed medication DOES have its place in the life of SOME
recoverying alcoholics. However, ALL too many alcoholics bullshit physicians
into getting a prescription for the easier, softer way.
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| Tim and Lisa 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
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" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> ***********************************************************
>
> Twenty-Four Hours A Day
>
> A.A. Thought For The Day
>
> I am less sensitive and my feelings are less easily hurt. I no
> longer take myself so
> seriously. It didn't use to take much to insult me, to feel that I
> had been slighted or
> left on the outside. What happens to me now is not so important. One
> cause of our
> drinking was because we couldn't take it, so we escaped the
> unpleasant situation. We
> have learned to take it on the chin if necessary and smile. When I
> am all wrapped
> up in A.A., I do not notice the personal slights so much. They do
> not seem to matter so
> much. I have learned to laugh at self-pity, because it's so
> childish. Am I less sensitive?
>
>
>
>
>
This is oh so true, to this I can attest! I am less self-centered, no
longer thinking the world revolves around me. I am less sensitive to what
others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with whom I am
closely connected. I do not have to run and hide from anything any more. I
have found peace of mind and a sense of freedom that I have never known.
Thank God for the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous!!!
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"Tim and Lisa" <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I am less sensitive to what
> others think of me because I have but one ultimate authority with
whom I am
> closely connected.
Beware that connection;^)
"The minute I figure I have got a perfectly clear pipeline to God, I
have become egotistical enough to get into real trouble. Nobody can
cause more needless grief than a power-driver who thinks he has got it
straight from God."
(ABSI, page 38)
JB
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| ColoNel Polyps 2004-11-20, 11:10 am |
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" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xwlmd.50262$Df1.11853@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> we have a "clancy type" RIGID meeting in these parts, where that "no
> antidepressant" crap is spewed by some pontificators.
> i have personal knowledge of one of the suicides caused by them.
> that particular group caused a lawsuit to be brought against AA,
> bringing "the GSO powers that be" to wisconsin to investigate and
> remind folks that they are violating TRADITIONS by having an opinion
> on "outside issues"
>
> --
>
> rosie
> p.s.
> in my early sobriety, i did everything i could to NOT take the
> prescribed medications, believing that i was not doing "recovery the
> right way", and that was the cause for periods of "extreme sadness,
> apathy, insomnia, agitation, to mention a few symptoms.
>
> after five years of that crap, on my way to a meeting, (in the
> parking lot) i had what i call a "mini break" in the arms of an
> old-timer, who drove me home, where my husband called my doctor, and
> treatment was started.
Drugs are a necessity for some people. My brother wanted to smoke pot
but the government would not let him. They sent him to the VA hospital
and brain washed his head with a bunch of AA/NA crap and gave him a
fortune in drugs. He died from anti-marijuana drugs in Wisconsin.
Another brother is addicted to Oxycotin becasue of back surgery the
government screwed up on.
They wanted to operate on my back for a herniated disk but I know they
want to remove the microchip that George Bush and the secret servcie
stuck there in 1982. The quacks would most likely screw it up so I would
need a lawyer before I let them touch my back again. Who knows what kind
of drug they would addict me too?
My family did bongs with George Washington at Valley Forge.
Exterminate the christian government.
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| John Droge 2004-11-20, 11:11 am |
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"Sepp" <SeppDietrich@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> 6000 men honored him at his funeral,that's 6000 more than will be
> there when they throw your drunk XXX in for a dirt nap.Har,Har!
> "Sepp"
Nazi apologists. Yup some of us are sicker then others.
John
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