Recovery aa - Advice for a Family Member?

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Advice for a Family Member?

Fayefrances24

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

I was wondering if any1 has advice for me in re to a family member with a very
serious drinking problem? We are all at our last nerves as to what to do to
help and she is dangerously close to being hospitalised or worse. Are there any
supportlines or advice on treatment out there as unfortunately im finding very
little. As much as she has great respect for AA as do I, she is in a difficult
position with work as she is an active community worker and has helped many
organisations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Tim and Lisa

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Fayefrances24" <fayefrances24@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041111131452.14229.00000524@mb-m13.aol.com...
> I was wondering if any1 has advice for me in re to a family member
with a very
> serious drinking problem? We are all at our last nerves as to what
to do to
> help and she is dangerously close to being hospitalised or worse.
Are there any
> supportlines or advice on treatment out there as unfortunately im
finding very
> little. As much as she has great respect for AA as do I, she is in a
difficult
> position with work as she is an active community worker and has
helped many
> organisations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

If your relative wants to stop drinking and is willing to go to AA,
maybe there are f2f meetings they could go to which easily fit in
around their work commitments. If not, if they have access to the
internet, there are many online AA groups which offer facilities for
real-time conversations and/or email meetings and/or discussion forums
from which they could greatly benefit. Here's the address of one
on-line group which I have first-hand knowledge of and have found
helpful to me. It offers all the facilities that I have mentioned:

http://www.e-aa.org

Info about other AA groups and how to contact them will be found at:

http://www.aa-intergroup.org/

HTH

JB

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Fayefrances24 wrote:
> I was wondering if any1 has advice for me in re to a family member with a very
> serious drinking problem? We are all at our last nerves as to what to do to
> help and she is dangerously close to being hospitalised or worse. Are there any
> supportlines or advice on treatment out there as unfortunately im finding very
> little. As much as she has great respect for AA as do I, she is in a difficult
> position with work as she is an active community worker and has helped many
> organisations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

A key element to starting a road to recovery is "surrender." If she is
a bright and functioning alcoholic (as you seem to suggest) this can be
a high hurdle. Perhaps an intervention of some sort. As far as her
"difficult position," remember, the second "A" in AA stands for
anonymous. If and when she seeks help from AA she will likely meet all
sorts of respected professionals from the community. Ultimately, the
decision has to be hers. Best wishes.

Frank

Tim and Lisa

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:YDOkd.678$nc.478@trnddc02...
> Fayefrances24 wrote:
>
> A key element to starting a road to recovery is "surrender." If she is a
> bright and functioning alcoholic (as you seem to suggest) this can be a
> high hurdle. Perhaps an intervention of some sort. As far as her
> "difficult position," remember, the second "A" in AA stands for anonymous.
> If and when she seeks help from AA she will likely meet all sorts of
> respected professionals from the community. Ultimately, the decision has
> to be hers. Best wishes.
>
> Frank

WOW!! I must admit, for once I am in agreement with Frank. What is this
world coming to?!! (heeheehee)

Ray Pearson

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Fayefrances24" <fayefrances24@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041111131452.14229.00000524@mb-m13.aol.com...
> I was wondering if any1 has advice for me in re to a family member
with a very
> serious drinking problem?

Next time she gets in a car call the cops and have her drunk XXX
arrested that sure will set the stage for intervention.

>As much as she has great respect for AA as do I, she is in a difficult
> position with work as she is an active community worker and has helped
>many
> organisations.

So what ? Oh I see she's too important to be seek help with AA, she's
just soo special. You can keep making excuses for her until she kills
herself or some poor innocent on the side of the road. First quit lying
to yourself. then quit lying to her.

Ray
--
he made us to be just like him so,
if we're dumb then God is dumb.
and maybe even a little ugly on the side

Ray Pearson

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Tim and Lisa" <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cKOkd.82213$Kl3.61717@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> "F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:YDOkd.678$nc.478@trnddc02...
>
> WOW!! I must admit, for once I am in agreement with Frank. What is
this
> world coming to?!! (heeheehee)
>

you all are pussy footers, the poster is lying to herself and her
sister(?) and doing a hell of a job helping to enable. the statment
about "dificult position" is the biggest problem they all have. As
always, the prior statement is only MY OPINION, I mean it is right and
everything but it is only my opinion

R

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Fayefrances24 wrote:
with a very[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
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If and when she seeks help from AA she will likely meet all
> sorts of respected professionals from the community. >
> Frank

Who are most likely there for one of two reasons:

1. To discover how AA can enable someone who wants to overcome a
serious drinking problem do so; or

2. To help those seeking to overcome a serious drinking problem,
achieve their goal.

JB

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

JB wrote:
> "F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message:

> <snip>
> If and when she seeks help from AA she will likely meet all
> sorts of respected professionals from the community. >
>Frank

> Who are most likely there for one of two reasons:

> 1. To discover how AA can enable someone who wants to overcome a
> serious drinking problem do so; or

> 2. To help those seeking to overcome a serious drinking problem,
> achieve their goal.

The first two that I met that were of the "respected" variety were (a) a
nun who was in charge of the finances of several churches, and (b) a
sitting local judge. Both were there to achieve freedom from alcoholism.

David M

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Fayefrances24 wrote:

> I was wondering if any1 has advice for me in re to a family
> member with a very serious drinking problem? We are all at
> our last nerves as to what to do to help and she is
> dangerously close to being hospitalised or worse. Are there
> any supportlines or advice on treatment out there as
> unfortunately im finding very little. As much as she has
> great respect for AA as do I, she is in a difficult position
> with work as she is an active community worker and has helped
> many organisations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

If she is very close to being hospitalized as you say, I doubt
that her drinking problem is nearly as secret as she (and you)
may think. By that time almost everyone who sees her regularly
usually already knows and most are silently hoping she gets
help.

AA *is* anonymous and *free*. But, if she feels she can't risk
being seen at AA, suggest to her that she take a leave of
absence and sign into a treatment center in another city.

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Ray Pearson wrote:

> you all are pussy footers, the poster is lying to herself and her
> sister(?) and doing a hell of a job helping to enable.

Possibly. Dutch uncle sometimes works. Not my style any longer.
Neither is enabling.

> As always, the prior statement is only MY OPINION, I mean it is right and
> everything but it is only my opinion.

As long as you continue to mix it with such a hearty blend of humility a
following is assured. ;)

Ray Pearson

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:gfPkd.456$mc.202@trnddc07...
> Ray Pearson wrote:
>
>
>
> Possibly. Dutch uncle sometimes works. Not my style any longer.
> Neither is enabling.
>
right and[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> As long as you continue to mix it with such a hearty blend of humility
a
> following is assured. ;)

Goddam Right and don't YOU forget it

R

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ubPkd.555$fc.94@trnddc06...
> JB wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> The first two that I met that were of the "respected" variety were
(a) a
> nun who was in charge of the finances of several churches, and (b) a
> sitting local judge. Both were there to achieve freedom from
alcoholism.
>
I think that alcohol doesn't care whose lives it tries to destroy and
sometimes does.

In AA I've met teachers, a former Customs and Excise Officer, a former
international businessman, other businessmen and women; a farmer, a
former doctor and others who work in the field of medicine; computer
programmers, ex-prisoners, housewives, single parents and many retired
folk. I even know a woman who has the title "Lady" rather than "Mrs".
She has this title because she is married to a gentleman who has a
knighthood and therefore is entitled to be known as "Sir" rather than
"Mr".

I've been going to AA meetings since 20th August 2003 and, FWIW, have
no regrets about letting AA teach me how to prevent alcohol from again
trying to destroy my life.

ATB

JB

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"David M" <dhmce@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:2vht7nF2mimtuU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Fayefrances24 wrote:
<snip>

David wrote:

> AA *is* anonymous and *free*. But, if she feels she can't risk
> being seen at AA, suggest to her that she take a leave of
> absence and sign into a treatment center in another city.
>
If the lady has been drinking heavily for sometime, maybe she'd find
having treatment centre folk around her helpful, especially if she
finds herself experiencing certain withdrawal-from-alcohol symptoms.

JB

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Ray Pearson wrote:
>
> "Fayefrances24" <fayefrances24@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041111131452.14229.00000524@mb-m13.aol.com...
> with a very
>
> Next time she gets in a car call the cops and have her drunk XXX
> arrested that sure will set the stage for intervention.
>
>
> So what ? Oh I see she's too important to be seek help with AA, she's
> just soo special. You can keep making excuses for her until she kills
> herself or some poor innocent on the side of the road. First quit lying
> to yourself. then quit lying to her.

Ray, I've got to hand it to you, this one was a good one.

I agree. They're not doing her any favors by tiptoeing around the
"sensitive" issue.

Tara

RAYMOND PEARSON

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Ray, I've got to hand it to you, this one was a good one.
>
> I agree. They're not doing her any favors by tiptoeing around the
> "sensitive" issue.
>
> Tara

See I am good for a few things.
Ray

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

RAYMOND PEARSON wrote:
>
> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:4193DD52.2A0437F0@verizon.net...
>
> See I am good for a few things.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Let's not get too cocky.

Oh wait, you've already decorated yours ;-)

As you were.

Tara

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

RAYMOND PEARSON wrote:

> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:4193DD52.2A0437F0@verizon.net...
>
>
>
> See I am good for a few things.
> Ray

As I predicted, the beginnings of a "following."

Earthlink News Server

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Fayefrances24" <fayefrances24@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041111131452.14229.00000524@mb-m13.aol.com...
>I was wondering if any1 has advice for me in re to a family member with a
>very
> serious drinking problem? We are all at our last nerves as to what to do
> to
> help and she is dangerously close to being hospitalised or worse. Are
> there any
> supportlines or advice on treatment out there as unfortunately im finding
> very
> little. As much as she has great respect for AA as do I, she is in a
> difficult
> position with work as she is an active community worker and has helped
> many
> organisations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

When I was working and quit both drinking and drugs (crack), I found a local
place that took my medical insurance, and kept me shot up/knocked out with
Librium for 3 days. When I got out, I went back to work during the day, and
AA meetings at night. My boss never knew (I don't think). Detox was
painless/covered by insurance/nobody ever knew, and oh, that was 9 years ago
last week. Guess it worked out pretty well for me. Sure was better than what
I feared about detox, and since it was a one time insured detox, no way I
wanted to drink again and have to go thru it the hard way.

Check with local hospitals, some have a crash/painless detox, and is covered
by insurance.

Oh.. PS, it isn't just for lightweights, I drank about 1/2 gallon and smoked
an eight-ball of crack a day. My theory for 28 years was that to prevent a
hangover, just stay drunk!

Just out of curiosity, is she afraid of detox? I sure was, and I've met a
few others that are, and highly recommend the "painless detox"(drugged
unconscious) method.. IMO it is much easier to stay sober once you are
already are, and that sure got rid of one of my biggest fears.

Tommy

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

In news:cn0i3q$ure$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk,
JB <> regaled me with ``(*^(\)

.. I even know a woman who has the[vbcol=seagreen]
> title "Lady" rather than "Mrs". She has this title because she is
> married to a gentleman who has a knighthood and therefore is
> entitled to be known as "Sir" rather than "Mr".

Ya big mouth ya, you've met my wife
Actually she's a Duchess
Ask anyone :-))

Cheers
Sir Tommy

Norm D

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_7Skd.489$mc.245@trnddc07...
> RAYMOND PEARSON wrote:
>
>
> As I predicted, the beginnings of a "following."
>
Damn you're good Frank, you understand that when folks treat each other
respectfully they tend to like each other. Most folks don't call that a
following though. I am baffled how you go there.

BTW -- I think what you posted in response to the original post was great.
Allowed me to not post what I might have said. Also, what Ray said is
equally true in my book.

Oh... following... you'll love this. I've always kind of liked what Tara
posts. Don't always agree, but usually read her posts. Also have a book
about "Tara". Rather interesting. Ran across it shortly after she started
posting and took and interest in it because I'd never even heard the name
Tara until she started posting. Guess I'm just compulsively curious. I
think you ought to take this and run with it. You could bad talk me for
days on this alone! You could claim I am madly in love with her or am sick
and perverted or something. You'd be right about sick and perverted... but
not in relation to Tara. Have fun.

Bless,
Norm

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Norm D wrote:

> Damn you're good Frank, you understand that when folks treat each other
> respectfully they tend to like each other. Most folks don't call that a
> following though. I am baffled how you go there.

Of course you're baffled, it's called dry humor. Facetiousness.

> BTW -- I think what you posted in response to the original post was great.
> Allowed me to not post what I might have said.

You've got restraint down to an art form.

> Also, what Ray said is equally true in my book.

Ray is stubborn but honest. Like me. ;)

> Oh... following... you'll love this. I've always kind of liked what Tara
> posts. Don't always agree, but usually read her posts.

Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.

>Also have a book about "Tara". Rather interesting. Ran across it shortly after
>she started posting and took and interest in it because I'd never even heard the name
>Tara until she started posting.

Now that you mention it neither have I but it didn't seem particularly
unusual to me, perhaps because I have a sister named Tamara.

> Guess I'm just compulsively curious. I think you ought to take this and run with it.
>You could bad talk me for days on this alone!

Trust me, this would have *never* occurred to me.

>You could claim I am madly in love with her or am sick and perverted or something.

Now that you mention it, the psychologist in me is getting hints that
there is something very Freudian going on here. ;)

>You'd be right about sick and perverted... but not in relation to Tara.

If you say so.

RAYMOND PEARSON

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_7Skd.489$mc.245@trnddc07...
> RAYMOND PEARSON wrote:
>
>
> As I predicted, the beginnings of a "following."
>

It's all OK until I start mixing the Cool Aid.

Ray

GaryE

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:30:04 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>I think that alcohol doesn't care whose lives it tries to destroy and
>sometimes does.
>
While I've heard of "Demon Rum", alcohol is not an "it" in the person
sense of that word.

The destroyer is the drinker.

It makes a whole lot of difference in understanding. Alcohol is a
beverage. "It" doesn't do anything.

Best,
GaryE

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

RAYMOND PEARSON wrote:
> "F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:_7Skd.489$mc.245@trnddc07...
>
>
>
> It's all OK until I start mixing the Cool Aid.
>
> Ray

LMAO, Great Minds

ofthedeep

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

F.H. wrote:
|| Norm D wrote:
||
||| Damn you're good Frank, you understand that when folks treat each
||| other
||| respectfully they tend to like each other. Most folks don't call
||| that a
||| following though. I am baffled how you go there.
||
|| Of course you're baffled, it's called dry humor. Facetiousness.
||
||| BTW -- I think what you posted in response to the original post was
||| great.
||| Allowed me to not post what I might have said.
||
|| You've got restraint down to an art form.
||
||| Also, what Ray said is equally true in my book.
||
|| Ray is stubborn but honest. Like me. ;)
||
||| Oh... following... you'll love this. I've always kind of liked
||| what Tara
||| posts. Don't always agree, but usually read her posts.
||
|| Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
|| anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.

Tara's politics are totally ignorant and naive.

||
||| Also have a book about "Tara". Rather interesting. Ran across it
||| shortly after
||| she started posting and took and interest in it because I'd never
||| even heard the name Tara until she started posting.
||
|| Now that you mention it neither have I but it didn't seem
|| particularly unusual to me, perhaps because I have a sister named
|| Tamara.
||
||| Guess I'm just compulsively curious. I think you ought to take
||| this and run with it. You could bad talk me for days on this alone!
||
|| Trust me, this would have *never* occurred to me.
||
||| You could claim I am madly in love with her or am sick and
||| perverted or something.
||
|| Now that you mention it, the psychologist in me is getting hints that
|| there is something very Freudian going on here. ;)
||
||| You'd be right about sick and perverted... but not in relation to
||| Tara.
||
|| If you say so.

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Norm D wrote:
\
> You could claim I am madly in love with her or am sick
> and perverted or something. You'd be right about sick and perverted... but
> not in relation to Tara.

Ph no. Being perverted about me is Buddy's job.

And Virt, but he's been dropping the ball lately.

Thanks for the kind words Norm. I admit I was surprised. Not that you'd
say something nice, but that I've been so....well "interesting" I
suppose. Who'da thunk?

What's the book about? I've been thinking about learning more about the
deity Tara....but I hate competition :-)

Tara

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." wrote:

> Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
> anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.

The check is in the mail.

Tara

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

GaryE wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:30:04 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:
>
> While I've heard of "Demon Rum", alcohol is not an "it" in the person
> sense of that word.
>
> The destroyer is the drinker.
>
> It makes a whole lot of difference in understanding. Alcohol is a
> beverage. "It" doesn't do anything.

And I certainly doubt that it *tries* to do anything.

That would be weird.

Tara

marinelife

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Tara wrote:
|| "F.H." wrote:
||
||| Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
||| anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.
||
|| The check is in the mail.
||
|| Tara

I didn't know that you had to pay for "it". ROFLMAO

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@iamanywhere.com> wrote in message
news:2vig7gF2fqnl8U2@uni-berlin.de...
> In news:cn0i3q$ure$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk,
> JB <> regaled me with ``(*^(\)

> . I even know a woman who has the
>
>
> Ya big mouth ya, you've met my wife
> Actually she's a Duchess
> Ask anyone :-))
>
> Cheers
> Sir Tommy

Hey Tommy,

If your Mrs is a Duchess that makes you a Duke :^) As such, in polite
society, on certain occasions you'd be addressed as "Your Grace" :^)

ATB

JB

>

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:41944B2D.2A0A6E31@verizon.net...
> GaryE wrote:
wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
and[vbcol=seagreen]
person[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> And I certainly doubt that it *tries* to do anything.
>
> That would be weird.
>
> Tara

From this short conversation, I have again become aware that sometimes
I do not find it easy to accept criticism. Now, that I've stopped
being annoyed with you and Gary for "nit-picking", I can see that the
points you've made are valid ones. Therefore, I'm thinking that I
ought to be grateful to you for the chance you've given me to see
alcohol in a new light. Maybe soon I will be :^)

ATB

JB

Ray Pearson

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message news:8lWkd.862>
>
> LMAO, Great Minds

Bit of trivia, james Warren was educated at IU(Bloomington) and Butler
(indy) and his first temple was here(indy) founded in the '50s later
when the Indiana AG started to investigate his " CURES" he moved to
Ukiah CA. where of course weird con men are always welcome.

Fred Exley

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:41944B2D.2A0A6E31@verizon.net...
> GaryE wrote:

>
> And I certainly doubt that it *tries* to do anything.
>
> That would be weird.
>
> Tara

Kinda like a golf ball. It just sits there too. Many can control their golf
game. But if you just can't play golf, the more you hit it, the more it ruins
your day

-Fred

ColoNel Polyps

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

Fred Exley wrote:

> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:41944B2D.2A0A6E31@verizon.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> Kinda like a golf ball. It just sits there too. Many can control their golf
> game. But if you just can't play golf, the more you hit it, the more it ruins
> your day

> -Fred

I used to play a round on each Wednesday with Fred.

> http://www.unwind.com/jokes-funnies...s/excuses.shtml

ColoNel Polyps

2004-11-16, 3:56 pm

"Ray Pearson" <tat-ins@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:xMOkd.7966$7i4.264@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Fayefrances24" <fayefrances24@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041111131452.14229.00000524@mb-m13.aol.com...
with a very
serious drinking problem? We are all at our last nerves as to what to do
to
help and she is dangerously close to being hospitalised or worse. Are
there any
supportlines or advice on treatment out there as unfortunately im
finding very
little. As much as she has great respect for AA as do I, she is in a
difficult
position with work as she is an active community worker and has helped
many
organisations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Next time she gets in a car call the cops and have her drunk XXX
> arrested that sure will set the stage for intervention.

XXXXing narco!
On the other hand if she is one of those drug warriors I'd seduce her
help her get sloshed then call the goddmaned cops on her.

>
difficult[vbcol=seagreen]
helped[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> So what ? Oh I see she's too important to be seek help with AA,
she's
> just soo special. You can keep making excuses for her until she kills
> herself or some poor innocent on the side of the road. First quit
lying
> to yourself. then quit lying to her.

She sound like one of those snubbed up bitches who think their shit
don't stink.

When George Bush kidnapped and drugged me his brother JEB came in the
kitchen where they left me and said I was a sicko.

I got news for JEB BUSH his slut daughter is a crack head who likes to
pose as a doctor to get drugs.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/b...ep/noelle-bush/

They sure managed to clear the search angines of her name but not
totally.
They send her to rehab when people who do less get prison.

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

"F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eK6ld.51$qS4.22@trnddc09...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Fred Exley wrote:
>
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their golf[vbcol=seagreen]
more it ruins[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I used to play a round on each Wednesday with Fred.
>

At the same course a certain little Irishman keeps an eye on ? :^)

(http://www.lifeisajoke.com/irish38_html.htm)

One fine day in Ireland, a guy is out golfing and gets up to the 16th
hole. He tees up and cranks one. Unfortunately, it goes into the woods
on the side of the fairway. He goes looking for his ball and comes
across this little guy with this huge knot on his head and the golf
ball lying right beside him.

"Goodness," says the golfer then proceeds to revive the poor little
guy. Upon awakening, the little guy says, "Well, you caught me fair
and square. I am a leprechaun. I will grant you three wishes." The man
says "I can't take anything from you, I'm just glad I didn't hurt you
too badly," and walks away.

Watching the golfer depart, the leprechaun says "Well, he was a nice
enough guy, and he did catch me, so I have to do something for him.
I'll give him the three things that I would want. I'll give him
unlimited money, a great golf game, and a great sex life."

Well, a year goes past and the same golfer is out golfing on the same
course at the 16th hole. He gets up and hits one into the same woods
and goes off looking for his ball. When he finds the ball he sees the
same little guy and asks how he is doing. The leprechaun says, "I'm
fine, and might I ask how your golf game is?" The golfer says, "It's
great! I hit under par every time." "I did that for you," responds the
leprechaun,

"And might I ask how your money is holding out?" "Well, now that you
mention it, every time I put my hand in my pocket, I pull out a
hundred pound note" he replied. The leprechaun smiles and says, "I did
that for you."

"And might I ask how your sex life is?" Now the golfer looks at him a
little shyly and says, "Well, maybe once or twice a week."

Floored the leprechaun stammers, "Once or twice a week?" The golfer
looks at him sheepishly and says, "Well, that's not bad for a Catholic
Priest."

Tommy

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

In news:cn2746$cbq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk,
JB <> regaled me with ``(*^(\)
> "Tommy" <tommyleprechaun@iamanywhere.com> wrote in message
> Hey Tommy,
>
> If your Mrs is a Duchess that makes you a Duke :^) As such, in
> polite society, on certain occasions you'd be addressed as "Your
> Grace" :^)
>
> ATB

> JB

In a way you are correct, what you probably don't know is I was Knighted :-)
And as you might also know, I won't bend to any other flag but my own, so it's
purely honorary, a bit like Sir Bob,,
Well I mean it would be if were true :-)
Here, he's back in the news again, feed the world. the video is going like
hot cakes. I like him, he still has that spirit of humanity in him.

Cheers
Tommy

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

marinelife wrote:
>
> Tara wrote:
> || "F.H." wrote:
> ||
> ||| Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
> ||| anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.
> ||
> || The check is in the mail.
> ||
> || Tara
>
> I didn't know that you had to pay for "it". ROFLMAO

At least I don't have to pretend to be someone else in order to get
people to pay attention to me.

That's pretty pathetic.

Tara

marinelife

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

Tara wrote:
|| marinelife wrote:
|||
||| Tara wrote:
||||| "F.H." wrote:
|||||
|||||| Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
|||||| anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.
|||||
||||| The check is in the mail.
|||||
||||| Tara
|||
||| I didn't know that you had to pay for "it". ROFLMAO
||
|| At least I don't have to pretend to be someone else in order to get
|| people to pay attention to me.
||
|| That's pretty pathetic.
||
|| Tara

I love you, too, babe! On your knees!

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

Ray Pearson wrote:

> "F.H." <connectu2zz@verizon.net> wrote in message news:8lWkd.862>
>
>
>
> Bit of trivia, james Warren was educated at IU(Bloomington) and Butler
> (indy) and his first temple was here(indy) founded in the '50s later
> when the Indiana AG started to investigate his " CURES" he moved to
> Ukiah CA. where of course weird con men are always welcome.

More trivia:

One spot (not sure which) that he chose here in Kalifornia was picked
because of a study that suggested (because of global wind patterns) it
was least likely to suffer from radio active fallout in the event of
thermo nuclear war. People that weren't around then are unaware just
how much play that scenario got in the news, especially after the Cuban
Missile Crisis. There was a thriving business in Southern Kalifornia
building underground shelters in back yards until word got out that you
would just die a slower death that way. Jones used the location as a
attraction for disciples.

Gramps

Norm D

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:41944A09.E37F4CE@verizon.net...

> Thanks for the kind words Norm. I admit I was surprised. Not that you'd
> say something nice, but that I've been so....well "interesting" I
> suppose. Who'da thunk?
>
> What's the book about? I've been thinking about learning more about the
> deity Tara....but I hate competition :-)
>
> Tara

You're welcome Tara.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bo...595125077&itm=1
Tara, Princess of Wales, by William Draper D. Brinckloe

Tara also = The Polynesian sea-goddess. Those who have seen her describe her
as a woman with long waving hair who is so beautiful that the men just stare
at her, transfixed. ("Tara." Encyclopedia Mythica from Encyclopedia Mythica
Online.
<http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/tara.html> )

Also = a village in eastern Ireland (northwest of Dublin); seat of Irish
kings until 6th century.

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

"Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:41944A09.E37F4CE@verizon.net...
> Norm D wrote:

> I've been thinking about learning more about the
> deity Tara....but I hate competition :-)
>
> Tara

Definitely, the competition is stiff competition:^)

http://www.crystalinks.com/tara.html

ATB

JB

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

Norm D wrote:

> "Tara" <taragreen2@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:41944A09.E37F4CE@verizon.net...
>
>
>
>
> You're welcome Tara.
>
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bo...595125077&itm=1
> Tara, Princess of Wales, by William Draper D. Brinckloe
>
> Tara also = The Polynesian sea-goddess. Those who have seen her describe her
> as a woman with long waving hair who is so beautiful that the men just stare
> at her, transfixed. ("Tara." Encyclopedia Mythica from Encyclopedia Mythica
> Online.
> <http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/tara.html> )
>
> Also = a village in eastern Ireland (northwest of Dublin); seat of Irish
> kings until 6th century.

Also the plantation in Gone With The Wind?

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

marinelife

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

Virtualoso

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message news:<cn0ci2$q0r$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> "Fayefrances24" <fayefrances24@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041111131452.14229.00000524@mb-m13.aol.com...
> with a very
> to do to
> Are there any
> finding very
> difficult
> helped many
>
> If your relative wants to stop drinking and is willing to go to AA,
> maybe there are f2f meetings they could go to which easily fit in
> around their work commitments. If not, if they have access to the
> internet, there are many online AA groups which offer facilities for
> real-time conversations and/or email meetings and/or discussion forums
> from which they could greatly benefit. Here's the address of one
> on-line group which I have first-hand knowledge of and have found
> helpful to me. It offers all the facilities that I have mentioned:
>
> http://www.e-aa.org
>
> Info about other AA groups and how to contact them will be found at:
>
> http://www.aa-intergroup.org/

Well, sure . . . for the Text On Screen Facility Program of Recovery.
Greatly benefit, indeed.

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1fce47a6.0411140636.79eb0deb@posting.google.com...
> "JB"
<snip>

>Here's the address of one
at:[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, sure . . . for the Text On Screen Facility Program of
Recovery.
> Greatly benefit, indeed.

If only for people with either a severe hearing impairment who are
deaf is it a good job that on-line AA groups have come into being ?

JB

2004-11-16, 3:57 pm

F.H.

2004-11-16, 3:58 pm

ofthedeep

2004-11-16, 3:58 pm

Tommy

2004-11-16, 3:58 pm

Tara

2004-11-16, 3:58 pm

F.H.

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

Tommy

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

F.H.

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

RAYMOND PEARSON

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

Tara

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

"F.H." wrote:

> Tara rules and I don't remember the last time she was wrong about
> anything. From pets to politics, she has it down.

The check is in the mail.

Tara

marinelife

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

Tara

2004-11-20, 11:10 am

Virtualoso

2004-11-20, 11:10 am