Abuse recovery - Getting raped and getting screwed

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Getting raped and getting screwed

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-25, 8:20 am

I was asked if I have been raped. While I have not been raped, I've
been screwed royally at different times, including 1999.

The difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that the
person who gets raped gets sympathy; the person who gets screwed gets
attacked further.

Some people, among them those who've been singled out as scapegoats,
get screwed for life.

So to all you rape people: There are far worse things than rape, that
the bulk of the people around the world are subject to.

And many of those people are better people than found here.

http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
Ilya Shambat.

Alan B. Mac Farlane

2006-07-25, 4:20 pm

Here in Sonoma County ... Reverend Ochoa from Mexico has gotten SNAP raped
and screwed at the same time.

Pederast Protectors in the clergy do not have to 911 when they get a report
of child rape like doctors, nurses, teachers, therapists have to.

a man of the cloth with the color of authority gets to rape and screw you
both and all it costs is some FREE SPEECH MONEY.

with the District Attorney Top Cop being a catholic himself, that is just a
cost containment issue.

A Buddhist Pederast with 500 Grand and a Black Limo gets the same kind of
government service .. maybe cost a little more.

Poor folks Churches and poor folk Pastors don't get it this way.

So that Joel Osteen guy in Texas who is prime pickings for a sex hit by some
child who wants to get the Clergy Sex Lottery winnings with his Mega Church.

Not 800 Million strong world wide but there is hope for Reverend Osteen; his
wife just can't keep her hands off him he says - so there must be some
attraction there.

sumbuddie wear blind sea

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in article 1153830631.913755.3260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
ibshambat2004@hotmail.com at ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote on 7/25/06 5:30
AM:

> The difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that the
> person who gets raped gets sympathy; the person who gets screwed gets
> attacked further.

cal

2006-07-25, 4:20 pm

<ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153830631.913755.3260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I was asked if I have been raped. While I have not been raped, I've
> been screwed royally at different times, including 1999.
>
> The difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that the
> person who gets raped gets sympathy; the person who gets screwed gets
> attacked further.

the difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that a person
who is raped is overcome by force, while a person who gets screwed is
overcome by fraud.

> Some people, among them those who've been singled out as scapegoats,
> get screwed for life.

not scapegoats. marks.

> So to all you rape people: There are far worse things than rape, that
> the bulk of the people around the world are subject to.
>
> And many of those people are better people than found here.

if you define "good people" as "people who are nice to ilya shambat," that
seems to be true. depending on where "here" is, exactly. aar people aren't
noted for being nice to you. the consensus here seems to be that you're a
shitty writer and a narcissistic putz. but that's not you getting screwed,
that's just people not liking you. our language has many such nuances.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-25, 4:20 pm

Read: One of you pissed me off and I want to have an agrument.

Silly rabbit - you have to do better than this if you expect to bait
us here.

On 25 Jul 2006 05:30:31 -0700, ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:

>I was asked if I have been raped. While I have not been raped, I've
>been screwed royally at different times, including 1999.
>
>The difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that the
>person who gets raped gets sympathy; the person who gets screwed gets
>attacked further.
>
>Some people, among them those who've been singled out as scapegoats,
>get screwed for life.
>
>So to all you rape people: There are far worse things than rape, that
>the bulk of the people around the world are subject to.
>
>And many of those people are better people than found here.
>
>http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
>Ilya Shambat.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-25, 4:20 pm

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:56:50 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

><ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1153830631.913755.3260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>the difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that a person
>who is raped is overcome by force, while a person who gets screwed is
>overcome by fraud.
>
>
>not scapegoats. marks.
>
>
>if you define "good people" as "people who are nice to ilya shambat," that
>seems to be true. depending on where "here" is, exactly. aar people aren't
>noted for being nice to you. the consensus here seems to be that you're a
>shitty writer and a narcissistic putz. but that's not you getting screwed,

That's just basic common sense.

>that's just people not liking you. our language has many such nuances.
>

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-25, 4:20 pm

cal wrote:
> <ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153830631.913755.3260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> the difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that a person
> who is raped is overcome by force, while a person who gets screwed is
> overcome by fraud.

Having heard repeatedly from many people who've experienced both verbal
and physical violence, that verbal violence is worse, I know that to
claim that fraud is somehow less wrong than force is against the facts
of the universe.

>
> not scapegoats. marks.

Some are marks, some are scapegoats.

>
> if you define "good people" as "people who are nice to ilya shambat," that
> seems to be true.

I define good people as people who are kind, generous, genuine,
compassionate and good-hearted.

I do not see many like that here. But there are plenty around the
world.

> depending on where "here" is, exactly. aar people aren't
> noted for being nice to you. the consensus here seems to be that you're a
> shitty writer and a narcissistic putz.

Far better writers, and far better people, than anyone here, know
differently.

> but that's not you getting screwed,
> that's just people not liking you.

I'm not saying you are screwing me. I am saying aar is full of crappy
people.

> our language has many such nuances.

Don't I know that.

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-25, 4:20 pm

Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote:
> So that Joel Osteen guy in Texas who is prime pickings for a sex hit by some
> child who wants to get the Clergy Sex Lottery winnings with his Mega Church.
>
> Not 800 Million strong world wide but there is hope for Reverend Osteen; his
> wife just can't keep her hands off him he says - so there must be some
> attraction there.

Osteen is my favorite of that class of people. I hope he becomes very
influential.

cal

2006-07-25, 9:19 pm

<ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153844502.649893.254360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> cal wrote:
>
> Having heard repeatedly from many people who've experienced both verbal
> and physical violence, that verbal violence is worse, I know that to
> claim that fraud is somehow less wrong than force is against the facts
> of the universe.

which is "worse" is entirely a function of which they personally suffered
more from. generalizations about this are odious. still, in 1999 you were
old enough to know better. in the matter of your getting screwed, you have
yourself to blame in part.

>
> Some are marks, some are scapegoats.

a scapegoated person may also be a mark, but not by dint of having been
scapegoated. being scapegoated is different from being defrauded, sharing
with it only the unpleasantness of the experience.

>
> I define good people as people who are kind, generous, genuine,
> compassionate and good-hearted.

then it isn't true. but i imagine all of that follows from being nice to
ilya shambat.

> I do not see many like that here. But there are plenty around the
> world.

to be sure.

>
> Far better writers, and far better people, than anyone here, know
> differently.

which is what makes them far better writers and people than anyone here.

>
> I'm not saying you are screwing me. I am saying aar is full of crappy
> people.

that is to say, people who aren't nice to ilya shambat.

>
> Don't I know that.

no.

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 2:19 am

Getting Plutonian on me, aren't you?

cal wrote:
>
> which is "worse" is entirely a function of which they personally suffered
> more from. generalizations about this are odious.

I keep hearing it from everyone. Even the women who experienced extreme
brutality.

So then the logical question to ask is, If that's the way it is, then
how do we avert the worse crime - which cannot be made a crime in
climate of free speech and democracy - when the lesser crime is a
crime?

>
> then it isn't true.

Show me any good-heartedness on the part of these people, then I'll
believe you. So far I've seen you doing nothing but enabling a bunch of
harpies while denying your attention to people who actually might use
it for some good.

> but i imagine all of that follows from being nice to ilya shambat.

Um, no. When I see someone being genuinely kind, it doesn't have to be
directed at me. Which is why I find it so sacrilegious to see people
like Alan (and to a lesser degree you) waste your energy on the aar
harpies, when there are three billion women around the world and most
of them are much better people.

>
> which is what makes them far better writers and people than anyone here.

What makes them far better writers is that they are published and
acknowledged.

What makes them better people is that they've done significant good.

>
> that is to say, people who aren't nice to ilya shambat.

No, I mean crappy people. Mean-spirited, selfish, malicious, snide,
cruel.

And I say that if that's the mindset that they acquired in order to
deal with what they have dealt with, then I am sorry, that is not an
improvement on what they were before.

So the point of the exercise is to make possible for people to overcome
wrong done against them and be good people at the same time.

Otherwise all you've done is created another class of abusive swine.

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 2:19 am

Getting Plutonian on me, aren't you?

cal wrote:
> which is "worse" is entirely a function of which they personally suffered
> more from. generalizations about this are odious.

I keep hearing it from everyone. Even the women who experienced extreme
brutality.

So then the logical question to ask is, If that's the way it is, then
how do we avert the worse crime - which cannot be made a crime in
climate of free speech and democracy - when the lesser crime is a
crime?

> then it isn't true.

Show me any good-heartedness on the part of these people, then I'll
believe you. So far I've seen you doing nothing but enabling a bunch of
harpies while denying your attention to people who actually might use
it for some good.

> but i imagine all of that follows from being nice to ilya shambat.

Um, no. When I see someone being genuinely kind, it doesn't have to be
directed at me. Which is why I find it so sacrilegious to see people
like Alan (and to a lesser degree you) waste your energy on the aar
harpies, when there are three billion women around the world and most
of them are much better people.

> which is what makes them far better writers and people than anyone here.

What makes them far better writers is that they are published and
acknowledged.
What makes them better people is that they've done significant good.

> that is to say, people who aren't nice to ilya shambat.

No, I mean crappy people. Mean-spirited, selfish, malicious, snide,
cruel.

And I say that if that's the mindset that they acquired in order to
deal with what they have dealt with, then I am sorry, that is not an
improvement on what they were before.

So the point of the exercise is to make possible for people to overcome
wrong done against them and be good people at the same time.

Otherwise all you've done is created another class of abusive swine.

Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-26, 2:19 am

On 25-Jul-2006, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

> <ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message

IOW, Ilya Shambat is a frustrated rapist.
Between trying to downplay rape & lying about feminism,
he exposes himself quite neatly as very, very sick.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> if you define "good people" as "people who are nice to ilya shambat," that
> seems to be true. depending on where "here" is, exactly. aar people aren't
> noted for being nice to you

And sentences like the garbage above are the reasons why.

.. the consensus here seems to be that you're a
> shitty writer and a narcissistic putz.

And that's just his good points.

Susan

> but that's not you getting screwed,
> that's just people not liking you. our language has many such nuances.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-26, 2:19 am

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:52:47 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

><ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1153844502.649893.254360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>which is "worse" is entirely a function of which they personally suffered
>more from. generalizations about this are odious. still, in 1999 you were
>old enough to know better. in the matter of your getting screwed, you have
>yourself to blame in part.
>
>
>a scapegoated person may also be a mark, but not by dint of having been
>scapegoated. being scapegoated is different from being defrauded, sharing
>with it only the unpleasantness of the experience.
>
>
>then it isn't true. but i imagine all of that follows from being nice to
>ilya shambat.
>
>
>to be sure.
>
>
>which is what makes them far better writers and people than anyone here.
>
>
>that is to say, people who aren't nice to ilya shambat.
>
>
>no.

Well, I guess this all has the value of being able to rub his nose in
stuff he doesn't want to hear. Watching him get pissy is fun, but it
always makes me want to cringe when someone whines because someone
else doesn't like them.

>

cal

2006-07-26, 2:19 am

"William Blake Jr." <ibshambat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153881035.683089.168820@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Getting Plutonian on me, aren't you?
>
> cal wrote:
>
> I keep hearing it from everyone. Even the women who experienced extreme
> brutality.
>
> So then the logical question to ask is, If that's the way it is, then
> how do we avert the worse crime - which cannot be made a crime in
> climate of free speech and democracy - when the lesser crime is a
> crime?

it's not the logical question to ask, because you hearing it from everyone
doesn't make it objectively true. it's just true for the people who have
told you it is. if you asked me, i'd tell you something similar. but the guy
whose father used to get drunk and chase him around the house with a loaded
gun, corner him, and hold the barrel against his head told me something
else. the woman whose mother used to dunk her in bathwater so hot it left
her lower body permanently damaged and disfigured told me something else.
what differentiates greater abuse crimes from lesser abuse crimes is degree,
not kind.

anyway, democractic societies permit most forms of verbal attack among
equally-empowered, free people because the value of permitting it
outweighs any value seen in not permitting it. far from being a crime, it's
enshrined as first principle. a good answer to "how do i avert it?" is
"defend yourself." others are "avoid the situations" and "be prepared to
learn and change." take your pick. mix and match.

if the basis of your complaint is adults being verbally abusive toward
children, or bright people dancing abusive verbal circles around mentally
slower ones, i agree with you: it's wrong and it shouldn't be done. but if
what you're really saying is, "how do we stop usenet harpies from being mean
to me?" then i'm afraid you're on your own. your mission, should you choose
to accept it, is to figure it out.

>
> Show me any good-heartedness on the part of these people, then I'll
> believe you. So far I've seen you doing nothing but enabling a bunch of
> harpies while denying your attention to people who actually might use
> it for some good.

that's because the only part you pay any attention to is the part that's
about you. the rest of it doesn't exist for you, because you're a
narcissist. but the people you're talking about engage in a lot of
supportive, generous, compassionate interaction here. they have for years.
it's just that nobody can show you anything you can't see.

besides, i don't have the power to enable or disable anyone here, any more
than you or they do.

my reply to everything that follows is repetition of the above.

<snip>

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-07-26, 8:19 am

cal wrote:
> if the basis of your complaint is adults being verbally abusive toward
> children, or bright people dancing abusive verbal circles around mentally
> slower ones, i agree with you: it's wrong and it shouldn't be done. but if
> what you're really saying is, "how do we stop usenet harpies from being mean
> to me?" then i'm afraid you're on your own. your mission, should you choose
> to accept it, is to figure it out.

Oh come on! This has nothing to do with Usenet harpies; I'm talking
about nastiness in relationships! A far, far more serious issue
affecting far more people!

>
> that's because the only part you pay any attention to is the part that's
> about you. the rest of it doesn't exist for you, because you're a
> narcissist.

If it didn't exist for me, I wouldn't be talking about situations that
have nothing to do with me!

> but the people you're talking about engage in a lot of
> supportive, generous, compassionate interaction here. they have for years.
> it's just that nobody can show you anything you can't see.

Right. I've been reading these "interactions." You've got a permanent
bully on your group - PisaCake - and then there's these cliquish girls
who may be nice to each other but not to anyone else.

> besides, i don't have the power to enable or disable anyone here, any more
> than you or they do.
>
> my reply to everything that follows is repetition of the above.

I've just shown why what you've said is wrong. So I suppose your reply
to all else is repetition of the same misunderstanding.

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-07-26, 8:19 am

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-07-26, 8:19 am

The reason I brought this up at all is double:

1. To show that I'm no stranger to human nastiness; and
2. To show that there are worse things in the world than rape.

The second is the more important point. What I intend to show, is that
the issues on which people have been hyperfocusing are far from the
most important ones in the world, and that there are many far graver
forms of nastiness that have gone unredressed around the world and in
America because of the closed-minded hyperfocus upon these issues.

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

On 26-Jul-2006, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

> William Blake Jr." <ibshambat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153881035.683089.168820@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> it's not the logical question to ask, because you hearing it from everyone
> doesn't make it objectively true.

And he hasn't proven that he's "heard it from everyone".
Odds are that like his spew about "feminism", he's lying.

Susan

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> And he hasn't proven that he's "heard it from everyone".
> Odds are that like his spew about "feminism", he's lying.

You are nothing but an ignorant b*tch.

I'm the most honest person here. And that's what you can't stand.

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 25-Jul-2006, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> IOW, Ilya Shambat is a frustrated rapist.

I never had any interest in raping anyone. You, on the other hand, are
a malicious b*tch who wants to criminalize anyone who disagrees with
you.

> Between trying to downplay rape

I'M SAYING THERE ARE WORSE THINGS THAN RAPE, AND IN YOUR HYPERFOCUS ON
RAPE YOU'RE DOING GRAVE DISSERVICE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE AT RECEIVING END
OF FAR GREATER INJUSTICE!

What in the f*ck's name is wrong with you?

>& lying about feminism,

I'm telling precisely the truth about feminism! And you are the
greatest proof of what I'm talking about!

> he exposes himself quite neatly as very, very sick.

Oh believe me I'm sick. I'm sick of you and everyone who thinks the
same trash that you do, focusing on minor issues while ignoring great
ones and denying attention where it's needed while the world is going
to hell!

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
> Read: One of you pissed me off and I want to have an agrument.
>
> Silly rabbit - you have to do better than this if you expect to bait
> us here.

I ain't baiting no one. I'm tellin it like it is.

Baba Yaga Boney Legs

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

Follow-ups set to a.a.r.

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote, in talk.rape:

>I'm not saying you are screwing me. I am saying aar is full of crappy
>people.

So why are you saying it in alt.angst, soc.culture.jewish,
alt.feminism, *and* talk.rape?

Baba Yaga
--
I firmly and enthusiastically believe that the best way to save people
from hell is to make sure that there is as little mental health
coverage as possible.
- Laura Tisoncik, autistics.org

Baba Yaga Boney Legs

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

Follow-ups set to talk.rape and alt.fem, on the understanding that
that's probably where you're reading. If I'm wrong, add a group you
read.

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote, in talk.rape:

>On 25-Jul-2006, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>IOW, Ilya Shambat is a frustrated rapist.

That remark is offensive.

So is Ilya's - pain-sizing is /always/ offensive. But after all, he's
only committing the same error that the 'rape is the worst thing in
the world' people have been committing for years. Cal elucidated the
error quite nicely.

Baba Yaga
--
I firmly and enthusiastically believe that the best way to save people
from hell is to make sure that there is as little mental health
coverage as possible.
- Laura Tisoncik, autistics.org

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

Baba Yaga Boney Legs wrote:

> So is Ilya's - pain-sizing is /always/ offensive. But after all, he's
> only committing the same error that the 'rape is the worst thing in
> the world' people have been committing for years. Cal elucidated the
> error quite nicely.

Actually I'm not pain-sizing, I'm putting things into perspective.

I know I've lived a charmed life compared to many people. But frankly
so have the people who are hyperfocusing on rape, and it's important
that the real hardship that the bulk of people around the world
experience be brought in as a reference frame for their hyperfocus.

Miriam Cohen

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

William Blake Jr. wrote:
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
>
> You are nothing but an ignorant b*tch.

Oh, my, aren't we all impressed by your thought provoking insights of
the issues at hand? Well, no we're impressed with the fact that you're a
bigoted moron with no legitimate response. Life is too short to dance
with fat guys or read garbage from morons like you, bye, *PLONK*

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

cal

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

<ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153915585.949385.44840@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> cal wrote:
>
> Oh come on! This has nothing to do with Usenet harpies; I'm talking
> about nastiness in relationships! A far, far more serious issue
> affecting far more people!

ok, i get it. so with reference to this, you'd like to point out that in
1999 you got screwed in a relationship and this was not only worse than if
you'd been raped, but everybody who's been through both tells you that
getting screwed in a relationship is worse than being raped, so now it's
proclaimed by you as a law of the universe.

>
> If it didn't exist for me, I wouldn't be talking about situations that
> have nothing to do with me!

and you're not.

>
> Right. I've been reading these "interactions." You've got a permanent
> bully on your group - PisaCake - and then there's these cliquish girls
> who may be nice to each other but not to anyone else.

and "this has nothing to do with usenet harpies," right? right.

anyway, pisacake's a good ole boy, for a girl. so are the others, and
i've seen them all be plenty nice to strangers. just not to everyone all the
time. but then, i'm not either. when i think someone's a useless twit whose
fatuous blathering isn't worth the time of day, they get the message
eventually.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-26, 4:22 pm

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:34:08 +0100, Baba Yaga Boney Legs
<spamdump@phonecoop.coop> wrote:

>Follow-ups set to a.a.r.
>
>ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote, in talk.rape:
>
>
>So why are you saying it in alt.angst, soc.culture.jewish,
>alt.feminism, *and* talk.rape?

He's one of those guys who heard "BWAH HA HA" alot when he asked girls
out for dates and he's pissed.

>
>Baba Yaga

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-26, 9:20 pm

On 26-Jul-2006, Baba Yaga Boney Legs <spamdump@phonecoop.coop> wrote:

> Follow-ups set to talk.rape and alt.fem, on the understanding that
> that's probably where you're reading. If I'm wrong, add a group you
> read.
>
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote, in talk.rape:
>
>
> That remark is offensive.

So is his hatred of women.
He has hinted well before this that he doesn't think rape is all that bad.

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-26, 9:20 pm

On 26-Jul-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:

> William Blake Jr. wrote:
>
> Oh, my, aren't we all impressed by your thought provoking insights of
> the issues at hand?

I thought we were all impressed at how eager he is to prove me correct
about not just his personality, but his dishonesty....?

Susan

>Well, no we're impressed with the fact that you're a
> bigoted moron with no legitimate response. Life is too short to dance
> with fat guys or read garbage from morons like you, bye, *PLONK*
>
> --

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-26, 9:20 pm

cal wrote:
> <ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153915585.949385.44840@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> ok, i get it. so with reference to this, you'd like to point out that in
> 1999 you got screwed in a relationship

Not in a relationship.

And it has nothing to do with what you're talking about either.

>
> and you're not.

You REALLY don't know how to read. And then you accuse me of being a
naricissist?

> anyway, pisacake's a good ole boy

Neither good nor ole nor boy

>, for a girl. so are the others, and
> i've seen them all be plenty nice to strangers.

I've read the interactions between PisaCake and people like Velvet and
Luna. She's been a bully to everyone.

>just not to everyone all the
> time. but then, i'm not either.

So then where do you get off on me not being nice to everyone all the
time either?

> when i think someone's a useless twit whose
> fatuous blathering isn't worth the time of day, they get the message
> eventually.

Your loss.

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 9:20 pm

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> So is his hatred of women.

Another lie by Susan Cohen!

> He has hinted well before this that he doesn't think rape is all that bad.

And another lie!

Wow. You must be Lie Central!

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-26, 9:20 pm

You aren't even a woman. You're a monster.
And monsters cannot claim to speak for women, now can they?

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 26-Jul-2006, Baba Yaga Boney Legs <spamdump@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>
>
> So is his hatred of women.
> He has hinted well before this that he doesn't think rape is all that bad.

Baba Yaga Boney Legs

2006-07-27, 8:20 am

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote, in talk.rape:

[Flavia]
[Me][vbcol=seagreen]
[Flavia][vbcol=seagreen]
>So is his hatred of women.

Ilya's view of women is objectionable, and creepy. That does not make
it o.k. to make any unpleasant remark one likes about him.

>He has hinted well before this that he doesn't think rape is all that bad.

Neither do I, for that matter [1]. And I didn't come to talk.rape
looking for knitting patterns.

We see (or have seen - currently most of the traffic is from racists)
a lot of men in talk.rape, spouting off about how rape isn't that bad,
or about how women 'rape' men by doing this or that to them. Some of
them are past talking to, but some prove to be quite likeable, rather
mixed up, not at all sinister bods who simply have a lot of hurt in
need of attention, and no-one willing to listen (and often plenty of
someones ready to scoff); and it appears to them that rape victims get
all the attention. So they yell for their share.

Stupid way to do it, but that's people.

Baba Yaga

[1] It can be. It's remarkable how many things can be.
--
I firmly and enthusiastically believe that the best way to save people
from hell is to make sure that there is as little mental health
coverage as possible.
- Laura Tisoncik, autistics.org

David

2006-07-27, 4:20 pm

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Miriam Cohen wrote:
[snips]

> you're a bigoted moron

> Life is too short to dance with fat guys

So you know about bigoted morons as you're one yourself.

(Yet again Ilya finds a critic who makes him look much smarter.)

D.

--
"You'd better understand that you're alone, a long way from home."
....................................................................
(C) 2006 TheDavid^TM | David, P.O. Box 21403, Louisville, KY 40221

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-27, 4:20 pm

Baba Yaga Boney Legs wrote:
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote, in talk.rape:
>
> [Flavia]
> [Me]
> [Flavia]
>
> Ilya's view of women is objectionable, and creepy.

You don't know my view of women!

> That does not make
> it o.k. to make any unpleasant remark one likes about him.

To accuse someone of being a rapist when he is not, is slander.

I address this in another post when I talk about big lies.

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-27, 9:19 pm

On 27-Jul-2006, Baba Yaga Boney Legs <spamdump@phonecoop.coop> wrote:

> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote, in talk.rape:
>
> [Flavia]
> [Me]
> [Flavia]
>
> Ilya's view of women is objectionable, and creepy. That does not make
> it o.k. to make any unpleasant remark one likes about him.
>
Sorry if you are offended, but the truth is always okay.

Susan

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-27, 9:19 pm

On 27-Jul-2006, David <thedavid@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Miriam Cohen wrote:
> [snips]
>
>
>
> So you know about bigoted morons as you're one yourself.

Grow up - it was a dumb joke, and she's backed off it, anyway.
>
> (Yet again Ilya finds a critic who makes him look much smarter.)

Impossible - not only vould he not do this once, he couldn;t do it twice.

Must not be you, for sure - Miriam was being silly.
Ilya is always a serious moron.

Susan

nothing

2006-07-27, 9:20 pm

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
> The difference between getting raped and getting screwed is that the
> person who gets raped gets sympathy; the person who gets screwed gets
> attacked further.

Because blaming the victim isn't horribly common in the United States
and other Western countries. Because in the U.S., rape charges have one
of the lowest conviction rates of any serious crime.

--nothing

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-28, 2:20 am

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:21:05 +0100, Baba Yaga Boney Legs
<spamdump@phonecoop.coop> wrote:

>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote, in talk.rape:
>
>[Flavia]
>[Me]
>[Flavia]
>
>Ilya's view of women is objectionable, and creepy. That does not make
>it o.k. to make any unpleasant remark one likes about him.

As long as it's a true remark, or one believes it to be, it should be
ok to say what one likes. It's not ok to lie or say things you don't
know for a fact are true, though I don't particularly care if someone
else does it.

>
>Neither do I, for that matter [1]. And I didn't come to talk.rape
>looking for knitting patterns.

I think I posted briefly to talk.rape, back when I thought it was the
worst thing that could happen to me. It hasn't been the worst thing
to happen, though. Not to me. It was harder to watch my kids say
good bye to their cat. It's been much harder to watch my daughter
suffer and not know how to help.

>We see (or have seen - currently most of the traffic is from racists)
>a lot of men in talk.rape, spouting off about how rape isn't that bad,
>or about how women 'rape' men by doing this or that to them. Some of
>them are past talking to, but some prove to be quite likeable, rather
>mixed up, not at all sinister bods who simply have a lot of hurt in
>need of attention, and no-one willing to listen (and often plenty of
>someones ready to scoff); and it appears to them that rape victims get
>all the attention. So they yell for their share.
>
>Stupid way to do it, but that's people.
>
>Baba Yaga
>
>[1] It can be. It's remarkable how many things can be.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-28, 2:20 am

On 27 Jul 2006 17:13:41 -0700, "nothing"
<exquisite_carrion@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:

Ilya, stop whining.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Because blaming the victim isn't horribly common in the United States
>and other Western countries. Because in the U.S., rape charges have one
>of the lowest conviction rates of any serious crime.

And sex offenders one of the highest recidivism rates.

>
>--nothing

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-28, 2:20 am

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 26-Jul-2006, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:
>

egads nothing strawmen.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> And he hasn't proven that he's "heard it from everyone".
> Odds are that like his spew about "feminism", he's lying.

>
> Susan

well apparently ily seems to believe it is nobler to be "screwed"
then to be raped.

you give braging of one's self-pity a whole new meaning.

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-28, 8:20 am

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 26-Jul-2006, Baba Yaga Boney Legs <spamdump@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>
>
> So is his hatred of women.

he's just below your garden variety, bitter boy. The insane gibberings
kinda gives the impresson of well, insanity.

> He has hinted well before this that he doesn't think rape is all that bad.

he feels badly for the convicted rapest in comparison to the person
who was raped. like for example, being repeatedly raped by your uncle
or by a gang or dragged into a desert to be raped and left for dead.

I dunno, i think the bastard got it coming to him if he is convicted
by his peers based on the evidence. The reason it's so harsh is in the
prison culture a RAPIST means you're a weak man. The only thing worse
is a pedophile. I suppose in IlyaWorld we should let rapists go free
because they have it so rough in prison..

Now there's logic for ya.

[mental note: he must REALLY feel bad for the convicted murderers
rather then the murdered]

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-28, 8:20 am

On 28-Jul-2006, enialle@punkass.com wrote:

> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
> egads nothing strawmen.

Yeah, that's him all over.
>
>
> well apparently ily seems to believe it is nobler to be "screwed"
> then to be raped.

Only because he wants people to think he's getting screwed rather
than merely reaping what he sows, Usenet-wise.

>
> you give braging of one's self-pity a whole new meaning.

How do I do anything of the sort since he's the one doing the whining,
and I am just making a comment on what a pig he is??

Susan

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-28, 4:20 pm

You proud of yourself?

enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> he's just below your garden variety, bitter boy. The insane gibberings
> kinda gives the impresson of well, insanity.

You are the proof that ignorance is far from bliss.

> I dunno, i think the bastard got it coming to him if he is convicted
> by his peers based on the evidence. The reason it's so harsh is in the
> prison culture a RAPIST means you're a weak man. The only thing worse
> is a pedophile. I suppose in IlyaWorld we should let rapists go free
> because they have it so rough in prison..

I never said that. I said that there are bigger issues than rape, and
in your hyperfocus on rape you are ignoring far bigger issues that
injure people in far greater extent.

> [mental note: he must REALLY feel bad for the convicted murderers
> rather then the murdered]

Depends on the case, depends on the reason, depends on all kinds of
things.

Do you feel bad for American soldiers who rape Iraqi women or for Iraqi
women?

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-28, 4:20 pm

garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2006 17:13:41 -0700, "nothing"
> <exquisite_carrion@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ilya, stop whining.

Fighting for justice and fairness has been my goal long before I had
anything to complain about. And now, my life is wonderful, so there's
nothing to complain about. So your analysis is completely wrong. I'm
not whining, I'm fighting. You however are lying and ascribing to me
motives that I don't have. Which makes you a hypocrite and a jerk.
[vbcol=seagreen]

That's because most rape accusations are bogus.

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com

2006-07-28, 4:20 pm

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> Sorry if you are offended, but the truth is always okay.

You wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the vagina.

You are fascist scum attached to your big lie. And to say such things
about me, I repeat, is slander.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-28, 4:20 pm

On 28 Jul 2006 09:17:28 -0700, ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:

>
>garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>Fighting for justice

No, no, stop. You're handing this pablum to the wrong lady, Ilya.
You're whining because people don't like you. Say hey - why don't you
like me and you'll get a little respect. Keep whining about 'justice'
yada yada and you get rolling eyes.

I won't like you either way. You're a long winded, pompous blowhard
and a lousy writer who keeps foisting your crap on this group despite
being asked several times to cut it out. If you cure cancer, I won't
like you.

But you never know - there are still some people floating around in
the shadows here who like that kind of thing. Look for nicks like
'fluttery butterfly tears' and you'll be fine.

Cyclops

2006-07-28, 4:20 pm

To: ibshambat2004
ibshambat2004 wrote:
> You proud of yourself?

Moron.

> You are the proof that ignorance is far from bliss.

You have no idea how happy this person is, the statement is idiotic.

> I never said that. I said that there are bigger issues than rape, and
> in your hyperfocus on rape you are ignoring far bigger issues that
> injure people in far greater extent.

Like what? Example of something that happens every day that's worse on
a person than rape.

> Depends on the case, depends on the reason, depends on all kinds of
> things.

Murder does far less damage than rape, most rape victims would rather be
dead for a long time than survive.

> Do you feel bad for American soldiers who rape Iraqi women or for Iraqi
> women?

No, I feel bad for Iraqi women getting raped. Shouldn't I? A person
doesn't have to rape, a person has little choice when getting raped.
--- Synchronet 3.13a-Win32 NewsLink 1.83
Shadow River BBS http://shadowriver.homeip.net:9003 telnet://shadowriver.homeip.net

mONSTER IN a BOx

2006-07-28, 4:20 pm

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
> You wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the vagina.

you wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the vagina
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW TRUTH IF IT HIT YOU IN THE VAGINA

max
['What if it was ribbed?']

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-28, 9:19 pm

On 28-Jul-2006, mONSTER IN a BOx <sargon67@earthlink.net> wrote:

> ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> you wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the vagina
> YOU WOULDN'T KNOW TRUTH IF IT HIT YOU IN THE VAGINA

AND HE WONDERS HOW HE GETS PEGGED AS A CHAUVINIST PIG...
(& a frustrated rapist)

Susan

bob

2006-07-28, 9:19 pm

On 28 Jul 2006 09:17:28 -0700, ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:

>
>garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>Fighting for justice and fairness has been my goal long before I had
>anything to complain about. And now, my life is wonderful, so there's
>nothing to complain about. So your analysis is completely wrong. I'm
>not whining, I'm fighting. You however are lying and ascribing to me
>motives that I don't have. Which makes you a hypocrite and a jerk.
>
>
>That's because most rape accusations are bogus.

Most rapes aren't reported.

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-28, 9:19 pm

On 28-Jul-2006, bob <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:

> On 28 Jul 2006 09:17:28 -0700, ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
>

How does whining about "truth hitting someone in the vagina" jibe with
"fighting for justice and fairness"?
[vbcol=seagreen]

Except for all that hate towards women.
[vbcol=seagreen]

So why all the complaining about women, and the shireking
when his hatred for women is pointed out?

So your analysis is completely wrong. I'm[vbcol=seagreen]

PKB in spades!![vbcol=seagreen]

Which is an amazing foul lie.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Most rapes aren't reported.

And he has no proof for anything he says, once again!
Now watch, al this will make *me* a "XXXXX" - just you watch.

Susan

bob

2006-07-28, 9:19 pm

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:08:37 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

>
>On 28-Jul-2006, bob <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
>
>
>How does whining about "truth hitting someone in the vagina" jibe with
>"fighting for justice and fairness"?
>
>
>Except for all that hate towards women.
>
>
>So why all the complaining about women, and the shireking
>when his hatred for women is pointed out?
>
>So your analysis is completely wrong. I'm
>
>PKB in spades!!
>
>Which is an amazing foul lie.
>
>And he has no proof for anything he says, once again!
>Now watch, al this will make *me* a "XXXXX" - just you watch.
>
Does this bother you? If so, why? I don't mean to be an XXX to you.
I'm just trying to understand why you care what he says about you.

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-28, 9:19 pm

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:33:40 -0400, bob <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:08:37 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
>Does this bother you? If so, why? I don't mean to be an XXX to you.
>I'm just trying to understand why you care what he says about you.

Me, too. What possible effect could he have on the self-esteem of
someone who has zero respect for him?

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-29, 2:22 am

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
> You wouldn't know truth if it hit you in the vagina.
>

wow aren't you just the proud woman hater particularly posting in
alt.abuse.recovery

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-29, 2:22 am

ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
> You proud of yourself?

of course, I am proud of myself, Mr. Narcisist. . you think I need you
to decide who I am and what's important?

>
> enialle@punkass.com wrote:
>
> You are the proof that ignorance is far from bliss.

all insane people think everyone else is insane LOL
>
>
> I never said that. I said that there are bigger issues than rape, and
> in your hyperfocus on rape you are ignoring far bigger issues that
> injure people in far greater extent.

Um, you implied that women get over rape easily. How would you know
that? you know all women? are you a psychologist? Have you cited a
peer- reviewed study? Perhaps you're just a woman hater? I take the
latter.

In reality dredging though your diatribes of meaningless phrases
probalby means it's a cry for meds.

>
>
> Depends on the case, depends on the reason, depends on all kinds of
> things.

translation: it depends if it is a woman. If it is I am sure she
deserved it.
>
> Do you feel bad for American soldiers who rape Iraqi women or for Iraqi
> women?

I feel bad we have to endure this villiage idiot for a president who
sends our men in women in iraq, (for mulitple tours to come back
dead, missing limbs or XXXXed up for life), based on a lies while his
chickenhawk buddies reap the corporate benefits. Dying for this war is
not for a noble cause but to die in vain in order to give orgasms to
the neocons and riches to the war profiteers and those loonytoon
evangelicals who think jeeeesus will send them bodily to heaven.
100,000 iraqi innocent civilians are murdered.You think the families
of iraqis hurt any less than the families of soliders who are killed
for war of convenience? Thanks to our bimbo-in-chief, we
witness the gore and horror of war which, of course, includes
the brutal rape of women ( believe me the women in uniform
are getting raped by men too.).

why do you feel compelled to determin if one type of horror of war
is greater than another? what kind of hateful person are you?

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-29, 2:22 am

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 28-Jul-2006, bob <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
>
>
> How does whining about "truth hitting someone in the vagina" jibe with
> "fighting for justice and fairness"?
>
>
> Except for all that hate towards women.
>
>
> So why all the complaining about women, and the shireking
> when his hatred for women is pointed out?
>
> So your analysis is completely wrong. I'm
>
> PKB in spades!!

you have evidence of this?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Which is an amazing foul lie.
>
> And he has no proof for anything he says, once again!
> Now watch, al this will make *me* a "XXXXX" - just you watch.

what kind of idiot hates women so much but so badly wants to XXXX them?

The reason ilya thinks rape is faked in his fevered mind is to somehow
rationalize his rape fantasies. He wishes he could get away with it.
>
> Susan

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-29, 9:20 pm

enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> of course, I am proud of myself, Mr. Narcisist. . you think I need you
> to decide who I am and what's important?

You show through your nastiness what you are. That's why I asked.

>
> all insane people think everyone else is insane LOL

I didn't say you're insane, I said you are ignorant. Doesn't your work
as a columnist involve reading, or only writing?

>
> Um, you implied that women get over rape easily.

No I didn't. I said there are bigger issues. And most of the world
would back me up on that.

> In reality dredging though your diatribes of meaningless phrases
> probalby means it's a cry for meds.

If you think my work is meaningless, then I'm sorry, I was right. You
don't know how to read.

>
> translation: it depends if it is a woman. If it is I am sure she
> deserved it.

Um, no. I am actually angered much more by violence against women than
I am by violence against men. Layo and I used to talk about how it's
usually pretty young women that get killed in movies, and we talked
about how it would be preferable if people being killed were ugly
middle-aged white men.

In fact there were several times when I had to intervene in real-life
violence-against-women situations, or ones that were heading there.

>
> I feel bad we have to endure this villiage idiot for a president who
> sends our men in women in iraq, (for mulitple tours to come back
> dead, missing limbs or XXXXed up for life), based on a lies while his
> chickenhawk buddies reap the corporate benefits. Dying for this war is
> not for a noble cause but to die in vain in order to give orgasms to
> the neocons and riches to the war profiteers and those loonytoon
> evangelicals who think jeeeesus will send them bodily to heaven.
> 100,000 iraqi innocent civilians are murdered.You think the families
> of iraqis hurt any less than the families of soliders who are killed
> for war of convenience? Thanks to our bimbo-in-chief, we
> witness the gore and horror of war which, of course, includes
> the brutal rape of women ( believe me the women in uniform
> are getting raped by men too.).
>
> why do you feel compelled to determin if one type of horror of war
> is greater than another? what kind of hateful person are you?

Not more than you are, if your posts on the Internet are any evidence.

http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
Ilya Shambat.

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-29, 9:20 pm

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 28-Jul-2006, bob <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> How does whining about "truth hitting someone in the vagina" jibe with
> "fighting for justice and fairness"?

In your case, because you are a minion of the injustice!

>
> Except for all that hate towards women.

Not toward women. Toward fascist social movements that have been as
hard on the good-hearted women as they've been on men. To fight such
movements is the burden of love -

Love for the kind of women that these fascist movements have been
attacking -

And for humanity that these fascist movements seek to pervert into
swine.

> So why all the complaining about women, and the shireking
> when his hatred for women is pointed out?

There you go again. To accuse me of having hatred toward women, is to
spin a big lie. And Big Lies do require standing up to.

>
> Which is an amazing foul lie.

Oh, I'm not the one who made that accusation. There's plenty of
evidence to support this.

>
> And he has no proof for anything he says, once again!

There's plenty of proof for this, all over the Internet.

> Now watch, al this will make *me* a "XXXXX" - just you watch.

Well you act like one, so if I were to go by the apparencies that's
what I will point out.

And if I go by inherencies, I'll say that you are either deluded or a
deluder - and I'm not yet sure which.

Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-29, 9:20 pm

enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> what kind of idiot hates women so much but so badly wants to XXXX them?

I neither hate women nor badly want to f*ck them.

Both of these statements are lies.

> The reason ilya thinks rape is faked in his fevered mind is to somehow
> rationalize his rape fantasies. He wishes he could get away with it.

I don't know to which pop psychology your mind is functional, but for
as long as that software runs on your hardware you have no chance of
attaining at the truth.

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-29, 9:20 pm

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 28-Jul-2006, mONSTER IN a BOx <sargon67@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> AND HE WONDERS HOW HE GETS PEGGED AS A CHAUVINIST PIG...
> (& a frustrated rapist)

It's easy. I get pegged as the shadow, whatever it may be, of the
insincere, because of my sincerity.

You peg me as a chauvenist and a frustrater rapist. Soc.men people
pegged me as a male feminist. People have pegged me in all kinds of
ways, from Communist to Republican to Muslim to Russian spy to radical
to reactionary to narc to bum to bleeding-heart liberal to naive to
dangerous to prey to predator to stupid to mastermind, most of them
entirely contradictory to each other and in no way true.

And even if one or two of those ways was true, all the others can't be,
because they are all mutually contradictory to each other.

So you're giving me just one of the many lies that have come my way.
And I'm sending it right back to you.

<CATCH>

Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com

William Blake Jr.

2006-07-29, 9:20 pm

enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> wow aren't you just the proud woman hater particularly posting in
> alt.abuse.recovery

You don't have much respect for those people, do you.

I at least have enough respect for them to confront them with their
wrong.

cal

2006-07-30, 4:20 pm

"William Blake Jr." <ibshambat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154209614.979210.303420@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
> It's easy. I get pegged as the shadow, whatever it may be, of the
> insincere, because of my sincerity.
>
> You peg me as a chauvenist and a frustrater rapist. Soc.men people
> pegged me as a male feminist. People have pegged me in all kinds of
> ways, from Communist to Republican to Muslim to Russian spy to radical
> to reactionary to narc to bum to bleeding-heart liberal to naive to
> dangerous to prey to predator to stupid to mastermind

don't forget narcissistic putz. you're not interesting enough to be any of
the other things.

> most of them
> entirely contradictory to each other and in no way true.

but not all.

> And even if one or two of those ways was true, all the others can't be,
> because they are all mutually contradictory to each other.
>
> So you're giving me just one of the many lies that have come my way.
> And I'm sending it right back to you.
>
> <CATCH>

nyah nyah, nyah nyah,
i'm rubber, you're glue
whatever you say bounces off me
and sticks to you.

>
> Ilya Shambat
> http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
>

Cyclops

2006-07-30, 4:20 pm

To: William Blake Jr.
William Blake Jr. wrote:
> I don't know to which pop psychology your mind is functional, but for
> as long as that software runs on your hardware you have no chance of
> attaining at the truth.

You are a troll. Looking at where you are posting these too... What
you say...

You are a troll who wants to fight and argue so you pick a subject, such
a rape, take a viewpoint that is not shared and even blatantly wrong and
spout it off to get a response.

And btw... Who in the XXXX are you to tell ANYONE what TRUTH is. As
humans we will never see truth as it is subject to our perception, at
which point, it isn't truth anymore.

You still have yet to tell anyone what these 'bigger issues' are.
--- Synchronet 3.13a-Win32 NewsLink 1.83
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Cyclops

2006-07-30, 4:20 pm

To: William Blake Jr.
William Blake Jr. wrote:
> You don't have much respect for those people, do you.
>
> I at least have enough respect for them to confront them with their
> wrong.

What is wrong about supporting people who've been abused?

Also, a note to everyone, this name name posted a few months ago in the
microsoft support forum that microsoft was an evil devilish corp.

He is a troll.
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enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

William Blake Jr. wrote:
> enialle@punkass.com wrote:
>
> You don't have much respect for those people, do you.

unlike you, I apparently have more than enough respect not tell rape
victims their suffering isn't valid. I think professionals in the field
and anecdotal experiences tell a better story about rape recovery than
from the musing of bitterboy usenet kook.

as rape victims wouldn't you think they know the horrors of rape and
the pain of recovery more than you? Wait, I forgot you're a raging
self-absorbed narcissist.

>
> I at least have enough respect for them to confront them with their
> wrong.

based on what background do you site your authority? you've been
raped? You are a psychologist? Pyschiatrist? Socialogist?

Based on your long history it's obvious you post your hateful
diatribes in a recovery newsgroup where people are looking for support
and empathy as your angry and pathetic attempt to get back for the
fact women reject you.

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

>
> ok, i get it. so with reference to this, you'd like to point out that in
> 1999 you got screwed in a relationship and this was not only worse than if
> you'd been raped, but everybody who's been through both tells you that
> getting screwed in a relationship is worse than being raped, so now it's
> proclaimed by you as a law of the universe.
>
>
it's all about our poor little lala shampot or was that isla shampoo?
or well anyway, how dare you interupt as ilsa bares his soul on the
cross of ME in supplication to the God of Victimhood. His love
shipwrecked on the shoals of rejection. Standing in his 6" stillettos,
G=string all askew he cries out in falsetto how love is lost and he,
the only man on earth in pain, is in THE PAIN, the PAIN OF ALL PAIN,
THE PAIN OF THE CENTURY, THE PAIN OF THE MILINIUM and all you guys do
is piss on him.

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

William Blake Jr. wrote:
> enialle@punkass.com wrote:
>
> I don't know if I am functional,

!

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

William Blake Jr. wrote:
> enialle@punkass.com wrote:
>
> I don't know if I am functional,

!

enialle@punkass.com

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

cal wrote:
> "William Blake Jr." <ibshambat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154209614.979210.303420@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> don't forget narcissistic putz. you're not interesting enough to be any of
> the other things.
>

The point being, ilyap shjampiss posted to severaly newsgroups whose
charter is to talk and offer supoprt from those who are in recovery
from abuse while he trivializes it and uses as a means to once again
talk about his gibberings. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure out people in recovery newsgroup have been abused in some
fashion or know someone who has been abused and is looking for help and
support.

Instead, itlay shampiss posts how trivial one type abuse is in
comparrason to his being dumped, a la "screwed," by his gf.

he wonders why people in that newsgroup feel offended and defend
themselves.

what a XXXXing idiot.

ilyap shampoop, please form your a newsgroup . I think you should call
it: alt.ilya.shambat.its.all.about.me

then you can prostrate yourself --XXX up for all humanity on the
elements of life... how everything in the world is upside down and
it's up to you to educate the world on how it's suppose to be in your
uniquely incoherent gibberings as only ilyak shumpop can do.

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

On 28-Jul-2006, bob <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:

> Does this bother you? If so, why? I don't mean to be an XXX to you.
> I'm just trying to understand why you care what he says about you.

Because it proves what a jerk he is - what else??

Susan

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

On 28-Jul-2006, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:

>
> Me, too. What possible effect could he have on the self-esteem of
> someone who has zero respect for him?

What makes you think this has anythng to do with me, in particular,
much less my self-esteem?? I am merely pointing out his total lack
facts, debating ability, maturity, etc.

Susan

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-31, 2:20 am

On 30-Jul-2006, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

> "William Blake Jr." <ibshambat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154209614.979210.303420@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Since when??
[vbcol=seagreen]

Only because his language is that of such.
[vbcol=seagreen]

I bet he doens;t x-post filth like the above to soc.men.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> don't forget narcissistic putz. you're not interesting enough to be any of
> the other things.

Yes - he's got a wide sterak of self-aggrandizement.
>
>
> but not all.
>
And, if so, then it's due solely to his insincerity.

Which has nothing to do with me - I happen to be correct.
Unless he's admitting to lying.[vbcol=seagreen]
>

Hardly: I am reading his posts & the conclusion was inescapable.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> nyah nyah, nyah nyah,
> i'm rubber, you're glue
> whatever you say bounces off me
> and sticks to you.
>

Actually he's admitted to lying.
If he insists that I'm lying, and says he's sending the same back
to me, then he admits to sending lies to me.
Therefore.... he's BUSTED!

Susan

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-31, 8:21 am

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:53:25 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

>
>On 28-Jul-2006, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
>What makes you think this has anythng to do with me, in particular,
>much less my self-esteem?? I am merely pointing out his total lack
>facts, debating ability, maturity, etc.

When I get e mail from people asking me to go to bat for them, it
tends to make me think they're taking it personally.

>
>Susan

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-31, 8:21 am

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:13:36 GMT, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:53:25 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
>When I get e mail from people asking me to go to bat for them, it
>tends to make me think they're taking it personally.

Oops - that was the other one, not you. The one that starts with 'e'.
My apologies.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>

Rhiannon

2006-07-31, 4:20 pm

> <ibshambat2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153830631.913755.3260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]

Ah, well, I have been raped and screwed and there are a few other
differences. The people who screwed me almost never beat me, or burned me,
or held a pillow over my face, or threatened to kill me, or laughed about it
afterwards, or called me the day after to ask me if it was good for me. Oh,
but hey sorry, I interupted with a few minor details that might get in the
way of the truth...so carry on...as you were...

--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-31, 4:20 pm

On 31-Jul-2006, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:53:25 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
> When I get e mail from people asking me to go to bat for them, it
> tends to make me think they're taking it personally.
>
Are you saying that Ilya e-mailed you to help him, or that you think
*I* e-mailed you?
And if you think so, what e-mail did you get, what were the headers,
& why - since I don't know you from Adam - do you think I would do
this??

Susan

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-31, 4:20 pm

On 31-Jul-2006, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:

>
>
> Oops - that was the other one, not you. The one that starts with 'e'.
> My apologies.

Okay, please ignore my previous questions, then :-)

Susan

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-31, 9:20 pm

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:49:22 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

>
>On 31-Jul-2006, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
>Okay, please ignore my previous questions, then :-)

I'll answer one, anyway. Why on earth, if they don't know me from
Adam, would they e mail me asking me to go to bat for them? I assume
they feel intimidated by him and want help, but it's a mistake to
assume we're on the same page because we dislike the same guy.

I *hate* it when people write other people and ask them to go argue
with someone for them.

>
>Susan

Pete Turk

2006-07-31, 9:20 pm

In article <1154146389.962982.120840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
enialle@punkass.com writes
>ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>of course, I am proud of myself, Mr. Narcisist. . you think I need you
>to decide who I am and what's important?

And of course you need to feel proud of yourself, enialle.
You certainly need to say so, whatever you actually feel.

Once Rauni, your own sister, had said what she said about you,
you've no longer been in a position to say anything else.

And your:

"you think I need you to decide who I am and what's important?"

???

Hypocrisy? Projection? Whatever it is, you _routinely_ decide
who or what a person is or ought to be, then go on to dictate
what his/her agenda and priorities ought to be ...

It's what you do.

So expect that self-same phrase from other people to YOU,
enialle.

It may be what you deserve ... >;]

>
>
>
>all insane people think everyone else is insane LOL

But then no _sane_ person would ever be aware of that.

Only someone who has not been sane or who spends time
around people who are often not sane.

So who told you this? ... And you believe him/her?

>
>Um, you implied that women get over rape easily. How would you know
>that? you know all women? are you a psychologist? Have you cited a
>peer- reviewed study? Perhaps you're just a woman hater? I take the
>latter.

Another favourite trick of yours, enialle

-- the creeping attribute.

It works like this, folks:

(1) Insinuation: she'll say 'perhaps you're just a xxxxx'?
to sow the seed. See above for a good
example ("Perhaps you're just a woman-
hater")

(2) Assertion: if (1) isn't answered, in a later post
this becomes 'of course you're a xxxxx!
you're very silent about it, I notice'

(3) Begged-
question: It gets dragged into further diatribes
("and let's not forget the xxxxx ...")
until enialle grows tired of it. She
uses Hitlerian repetition of this 'big-lie'
to persuade neutral posters and lurkers
that there IS a basis of fact in xxxxx
rather than the first weasel-like insinuation
that's behind (1).

>
> In reality dredging though your diatribes of meaningless phrases
>probalby means it's a cry for meds.

"meaningless" here ought to mean 'I enialle find them
without meaning', but her saying it here makes the strong
suggestion that every reader _ought_ to find them without
meaning as well.

The simple fact is, enialle, that, right or wrong, Ilya
thoroughly upstages you both when it comes to expressing
himself and in the creativity of his thinking --

and that's what infuriates you so.

>
>
>
>translation: it depends if it is a woman. If it is I am sure she
>deserved it.

(here enialle turns the qualification "Depends on ... things"
into something very different. However she fails to see how
petty, shabby and downright catty this comes over to readers)

>
>I feel bad we have to endure this villiage idiot for a president who
> sends our men in women in iraq, (for mulitple tours to come back
>dead, missing limbs or XXXXed up for life), based on a lies while his
>chickenhawk buddies reap the corporate benefits. Dying for this war is
>not for a noble cause but to die in vain in order to give orgasms to
>the neocons and riches to the war profiteers and those loonytoon
>evangelicals who think jeeeesus will send them bodily to heaven.
>100,000 iraqi innocent civilians are murdered.You think the families
> of iraqis hurt any less than the families of soliders who are killed
> for war of convenience? Thanks to our bimbo-in-chief, we
>witness the gore and horror of war which, of course, includes
> the brutal rape of women ( believe me the women in uniform
> are getting raped by men too.).
>
>why do you feel compelled to determin if one type of horror of war
> is greater than another? what kind of hateful person are you?
>

This diatribe ("I feel bad we have ... raped by men too.).")
is a good example of what I call enialle's

_red-rage_

However close or far away from facts this is, it's
characterised by a child's habit of augmenting polemic
with redundant name-calling ('chickenhawk buddies',
loonytoon, bimbo) and enialle never realises what that
does for her credibility.

And all the time she could have just said something like:

"I hate this horrible mess where 100,000 are dying and
suffering _needlessly_, all because of Bush and those
he's listened to"

or any variation reflecting more closely her own thoughts.

For the record:

IMO the _amount_ of horror anyone feels about different
issues in current affairs is no-one else's business.
The fact that you do feel horror should be enough.

P.S. "what kind of hateful person are you?" enialle says
-- the beginning of a second creeping attribute?
Will she try to develop it? Let's see.

'I have seen wicked men and fools, a great
many of them; and I believe they both get
paid in the end; but the fool first.'

-- Robert Louis Stevenson 'Kidnapped'

Pete Turk <Pete@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA President and Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing

flaviaR@verizon.net

2006-07-31, 9:20 pm

On 31-Jul-2006, garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:49:22 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
> I'll answer one, anyway. Why on earth, if they don't know me from
> Adam, would they e mail me asking me to go to bat for them? I assume
> they feel intimidated by him and want help, but it's a mistake to
> assume we're on the same page because we dislike the same guy.
>
> I *hate* it when people write other people and ask them to go argue
> with someone for them.

It's one thing to say "Hey, this guy's a nuisance, I can't stand him
- do you hate him, too?"
But it's quite another to say "I hate this guy - you go yell at him for me."
Pathetic.

Susan

garbageaddy@earthlink.net

2006-07-31, 9:20 pm

Oh stop - Ilya *is* a buttwipe and, frankly, so is everyone who thinks
he's just the bee's knees.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:43:22 +0100, Pete Turk
<Pete@ragtag.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <1154146389.962982.120840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>enialle@punkass.com writes
>
> And of course you need to feel proud of yourself, enialle.
> You certainly need to say so, whatever you actually feel.
>
> Once Rauni, your own sister, had said what she said about you,
> you've no longer been in a position to say anything else.
>
> And your:
>
> "you think I need you to decide who I am and what's important?"
>
> ???
>
> Hypocrisy? Projection? Whatever it is, you _routinely_ decide
> who or what a person is or ought to be, then go on to dictate
> what his/her agenda and priorities ought to be ...
>
> It's what you do.
>
> So expect that self-same phrase from other people to YOU,
> enialle.
>
> It may be what you deserve ... >;]
>
>
> But then no _sane_ person would ever be aware of that.
>
> Only someone who has not been sane or who spends time
> around people who are often not sane.
>
> So who told you this? ... And you believe him/her?
>
>
> Another favourite trick of yours, enialle
>
> -- the creeping attribute.
>
> It works like this, folks:
>
> (1) Insinuation: she'll say 'perhaps you're just a xxxxx'?
> to sow the seed. See above for a good
> example ("Perhaps you're just a woman-
> hater")
>
> (2) Assertion: if (1) isn't answered, in a later post
> this becomes 'of course you're a xxxxx!
> you're very silent about it, I notice'
>
> (3) Begged-
> question: It gets dragged into further diatribes
> ("and let's not forget the xxxxx ...")
> until enialle grows tired of it. She
> uses Hitlerian repetition of this 'big-lie'
> to persuade neutral posters and lurkers
> that there IS a basis of fact in xxxxx
> rather than the first weasel-like insinuation
> that's behind (1).
>
>
> "meaningless" here ought to mean 'I enialle find them
> without meaning', but her saying it here makes the strong
> suggestion that every reader _ought_ to find them without
> meaning as well.
>
> The simple fact is, enialle, that, right or wrong, Ilya
> thoroughly upstages you both when it comes to expressing
> himself and in the creativity of his thinking --
>
> and that's what infuriates you so.
>
>
> (here enialle turns the qualification "Depends on ... things"
> into something very different. However she fails to see how
> petty, shabby and downright catty this comes over to readers)
>
>
> This diatribe ("I feel bad we have ... raped by men too.).")
> is a good example of what I call enialle's
>
> _red-rage_
>
> However close or far away from facts this is, it's
> characterised by a child's habit of augmenting polemic
> with redundant name-calling ('chickenhawk buddies',
> loonytoon, bimbo) and enialle never realises what that
> does for her credibility.
>
> And all the time she could have just said something like:
>
> "I hate this horrible mess where 100,000 are dying and
> suffering _needlessly_, all because of Bush and those
> he's listened to"
>
> or any variation reflecting more closely her own thoughts.
>
> For the record:
>
> IMO the _amount_ of horror anyone feels about different
> issues in current affairs is no-one else's business.
> The fact that you do feel horror should be enough.
>
>
> P.S. "what kind of hateful person are you?" enialle says
> -- the beginning of a second creeping attribute?
> Will she try to develop it? Let's see.
>
>
> 'I have seen wicked men and fools, a great
> many of them; and I believe they both get
> paid in the end; but the fool first.'
>
> -- Robert Louis Stevenson 'Kidnapped'
>
>Pete Turk <Pete@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
>RFA President and Moonshadow

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-08-08, 4:21 pm

enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> The point being, ilyap shjampiss posted to severaly newsgroups whose
> charter is to talk and offer supoprt from those who are in recovery
> from abuse while he trivializes it and uses as a means to once again
> talk about his gibberings. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
> figure out people in recovery newsgroup have been abused in some
> fashion or know someone who has been abused and is looking for help and
> support.

You really don't have respect for these people.

I have enough respect to be honest with them.

> Instead, itlay shampiss posts how trivial one type abuse is in
> comparrason to his being dumped, a la "screwed," by his gf.

No, it was not that at all. It was something a lot more sinister,
involving many people.

And even in spite of that I still see my life as being charmed. As is
yours.

And my point is that in your obsessive hyperfocus on one issue you are
ignoring ones that are far more insidious and affect far more people.

> he wonders why people in that newsgroup feel offended and defend
> themselves.
>
> what a XXXXing idiot.
>
> ilyap shampoop, please form your a newsgroup . I think you should call
> it: alt.ilya.shambat.its.all.about.me
>
> then you can prostrate yourself --XXX up for all humanity on the
> elements of life... how everything in the world is upside down and
> it's up to you to educate the world on how it's suppose to be in your
> uniquely incoherent gibberings as only ilyak shumpop can do.

Wow. What a great gal you are.

I mean, really. Look at what you've just written and tell me if you're
proud to have it come out from your keyboard.

You know them by their fruits, don't you?

Here, ladies and gentlemen, is the fruit of American media and academic
culture.

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-08-08, 4:21 pm

garbageaddy@earthlink.net wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Oh stop - Ilya *is* a buttwipe and, frankly, so is everyone who thinks
> he's just the bee's knees.

Garbage addy, indeed.

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-08-08, 4:21 pm

Cyclops wrote:
> To: William Blake Jr.
> William Blake Jr. wrote:
>
> What is wrong about supporting people who've been abused?

She isn't supporting them. What she is doing, is smothering them, by
claiming that someone who's being honest with them (and, BTW, I've been
supportive to people on asd), is trying to exploit or abuse them.

I haven't seen her being supportive - of anyone. I've been supportive
to many.

And I've also been honest, which Enialle clearly is not.

> Also, a note to everyone, this name name posted a few months ago in the
> microsoft support forum that microsoft was an evil devilish corp.

Nope. Someone must have forged my posts. People do that a lot.

> He is a troll.

I sure ain't. In fact people find me quite good-looking.

ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com

2006-08-08, 4:21 pm