Abuse recovery - Are Americans abused when they're fighting in Iraq?

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Are Americans abused when they're fighting in Iraq?

Richar44d

2005-08-21, 5:46 pm

They say politics makes strange bedfellows. I've posted techniques on
dealing with psycho bitches and bullies. Mostly, you may, as a
courtesy to your self esteem, attempt to reason with them. After that,
you can safely ignore them. After all, you can't change their
thinking, and it's obvious they have an agenda of control which doesn't
suit anyone but themselves. And, they'll obviously go to insane
extremes to get that control.

Oddly enough, David Duke has stepped up in support of Cindy Sheehan.
Although there is some debate as to whether Sheehan wrote the letter,
or a producer wwrote the letter under Sheehans header, the facts of the
issue are worth reviewing. Have we been duped (abused) into support
the political agenda of a foreigh power?
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I offer a few paragraphs of his statement;

Why Cindy Sheehan is Right!
By David Duke

Cindy Sheehan, a mother who lost a son in the Iraq War, is determined
to prevent other mothers and fathers from experiencing the same loss.

Courageously she has gone to Texas near the ranch of President Bush and
braved the elements and a hostile Jewish supremacist media to demand a
meeting with him and a good explanation why her son and other's sons
and daughters must die and be disfigured in a war for Israel rather
than for America.

Recently, she had the courage to state the obvious that her son signed
up in the military to protect America not to die for Israel.

In a recent letter to "Nightline," she wrote the following
hard-hitting words:

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he
was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My
son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I
know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were
betrayed by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC
agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because
the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real
reason, because the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our
middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America
invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.

Now, a gauntlet of personal attacks has been let out against her. A
recent article on David Horowitz's FrontPage and repeated by many
pro-Israel zealots dares to compare her with that incorrigible
American, me. Here is a FrontPage reader's commentary published in
the Lonestar Times.

....(Sheehan) voiced vaguely anti-Semitic rhetoric when she alleged that
the Iraq War was all about protecting Israel, i.e. a Jewish conspiracy
(a similar opinion is frequently expressed by David Duke and his
ilk)." - From the Lonestar Times August, 13, 2005

In truth, Cindy Sheehan is absolutely right. Her son signed up in the
military to defend America, not Israel, and to safeguard our own
democracy, not the democracy of some foreign nation that neither wants
nor needs it. In advancing this war for Israel, government and media
advocates obviously couldn't get Americans behind the war by saying
it was a war for Israel. They had to make up bogus reasons for the war,
such as saying that Iraq was an imminent threat to America and that
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now that these lies have been
exposed, they have changed the rationale for the war to "fighting for
democracy" and "fighting against terrorism." Here's a short
list showing why Cindy Sheehan is right!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You'll have to go to the site for a full rundown. Israel just hasn't
been the good guy in the mideast. It's about time we all took a closer
look at the facts.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here's the full URL:

http://www.davidduke.com/index_print.php?p=350

Well, gotta go. Eric; When I saw how much energy you put into
monitoring and confronting, I just laughed. Sure, I have issue with
cretins who attach PTSD vets, but, as I meditated on your importance in
my existance, and picked up dog doo, I realized that even humble chores
like doin' the doo were more important than you.

C U --

Eric Cordian

2005-08-21, 5:46 pm

Richar44d <rrawli@comcast.net> wrote:

> Sure, I have issue with
> cretins who attach PTSD vets.

With staples?

"PTSD Vet" is such a nice sounding name for people who commit atrocities.
It performs the magic transformation of the perpetrator into a victim, and
completely invisiblizes the real victim, and does so in a coy way most
people wouldn't dare to question.

It permits people who have PTSD over atrocity guilt to blend in with
people who have PTSD from spending 5 years in a bamboo cage. It's the
ultimate equalizer.

"PTSD Vet." Ask for it by name. Coming soon to your neighborhood.

--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

Richar44d

2005-08-21, 5:46 pm

Again, a pitiable attempt at a spell flame.

Again, promptly glaring at the green screen.

Again makning a life commitment to a cathode ray tube.

Again, doggedly defending his ego. . . . at all costs.

.. . . and he thinks the rest of us are mentally unhinged?

Eric Cordian

2005-08-21, 5:46 pm

Richar44d <rrawli@comcast.net> wrote:

> Again, a pitiable attempt at a spell flame.
> Again, promptly glaring at the green screen.
> Again makning a life commitment to a cathode ray tube.
> Again, doggedly defending his ego. . . . at all costs.

Please, don't become overwrought.

Rather than respond to my several posts on rather light punishment and
moral justification for what appear to be some very serious war crimes,
you choose instead to suggest the poor "PTSD Vets" are being attacked by a
"Cretin," appended no less, to a post on a totally different subject.

Because apparently, you can't leave me alone long enough to complete a
thought.

You would have us believe that the victims here are not the children with
their throats cut, and people beaten to death while hanging from the
ceiling, or dragged off their subway seat and shot 7 times in the head,
but unbelievably, the perpetrators of these acts, who may have suffered
emotional trauma while performing them.

Even those alleged masters of cognitive distortion, sex offenders, lack
the balls to exhibit this level of unbridled arrogance and unmitigated
gall. It's nice to see veterans like you are filling the void.

Is there any vile act committed by a US soldier you won't defend?

> . . . and he thinks the rest of us are mentally unhinged?

No, Richard. I think YOU are mentally unhinged, and at a level which
makes ordinary mental unhingement pale in comparison.

Whenever you use words like "We" and "Us" in this newsgroup, you make
quite a few patrons feel icky.

I'll make you a deal. You don't mention me again, I won't address you
again. You can even follow up this post, and I won't count it. Then you
can have the last word, declare victory, and hopefully do that "going away
for a few years" thing again very soon.

--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

Richar44d

2005-08-21, 5:46 pm

What exactly do you mean when you, potential KOTM, failed troll, and
self aggrandised pundit, say, "Whenever you use words like "We" and
"Us" in this newsgroup, you make
quite a few patrons feel icky."

Let me clarify. When I say 'we' I mean myself and others who hold
similar opnions. You object when I check your posting history for
evidence of your character, yet it remains obvious.

When I say, "I'll leave you to your ignorance, rage and fear." It
doesn't mean I'm going anywhere. It means I won't contend your right
to be right where you are.

Victory? I already have victory, of a pleasant sort. I come and so as
I please. You OTOH respond within minutes, every time I post. You can
win any sort of argument you imagine. You're still a slave to your ego
and to Usenet.

You may have already discovered what value the universe around you, in
real time, has of your opinions. Which may be, I confess this is just
speculation, why you have so much energy and time to devote to Usenet.

You won't change, I won't change. I do see it as silly, and I know I
will eventually, according to a timetable you know nothing of, wander
back to my world. I'll shake my head, wonder how 'they' deal with all
that pain, and go on with my life.

Finally, it's been relaxingly heathy dealing with you. You're just not
important. I understand that now. Anyone else that I encounter on the
face of the earth -- your 'type' is not unique, just uncommon -- I'll
know how to handle. Refuting the unreasonable or some odd conundrumish
sounding sort of concept. Amusing, but not important. Something to
do, if and when I feel like it.

cal

2005-08-21, 5:46 pm

"Richar44d" <rrawli@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1124654688.800676.297570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Victory? I already have victory, of a pleasant sort. I come and so as
> I please. You OTOH respond within minutes, every time I post. You can
> win any sort of argument you imagine. You're still a slave to your ego
> and to Usenet.

in this round:
he waited 39 minutes before answering you.
you waited 32 minutes before answering him.

in the previous round:
he waited 11 minutes before answering you.
you waited 11 minutes before answering him.

in yesterday's postings:
he didn't answer your last post to him.

prior to that:
he waited 4 minutes before answering you.
you waited 9 minutes before answering him.

prior to that:
he waited 12 minutes before answering you.
you waited 25 minutes before answering him.

.... and so on. the pattern is clear. you're both standing guard over the
computer, answering instantly. of course eventually, you're both going to
stop. neither of you will have made any point or won a damn thing, but
hopefully your attentiveness to each other won't have caused you to miss out
on some better way to waste your time.

Alan B. Mac Farlane

2005-08-22, 8:48 am

Try them when YOU are on the Abu Grab XXX Drill Team that the Dick and Dubya
Show do during their Patroit Act, Scene Two.

in article 1124648496.547042.143870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Richar44d
at rrawli@comcast.net wrote on 8/21/05 11:21 AM:

> I've posted techniques on
> dealing with psycho bitches and bullies.