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Alan B. Mac Farlane

2004-08-17, 10:08 pm

Hey guys ...

Seems Ashcroft and his Patroit Act has uncovered specific, credible,
actionable intelligence that people are out to attack FOX network fair and
balanced and unafraid now.

The attack is to coincide with the Republican Party Convention.

Did you hear that on the Bush inaugeration parade 4 years ago - he was
pelted with eggs and the motorcade had to be stoped and Bush go to his party
on another road to the white house.

First time in history an elected President was so reviled at the get go.

Lots of firsts for Bush.

Insensitive Bush ... 4 more years.

sumbuddie on da watchtower

Panther

2004-08-17, 10:08 pm

"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:BD480662.25FB%alanb@sonic.net...
> Hey guys ...
>
> Seems Ashcroft and his Patroit Act has uncovered specific, credible,
> actionable intelligence that people are out to attack FOX network fair and
> balanced and unafraid now.
>
> The attack is to coincide with the Republican Party Convention.
>
> Did you hear that on the Bush inaugeration parade 4 years ago - he was
> pelted with eggs and the motorcade had to be stoped and Bush go to his
party
> on another road to the white house.
>
> First time in history an elected President was so reviled at the get go.
>

Gee I'm surprised with all the extra security guards, police and god knows
what else that they could even get that close to Bush. Another security
failure?

> Lots of firsts for Bush.
>
> Insensitive Bush ... 4 more years.
>
> sumbuddie on da watchtower
>
>

Alan B. Mac Farlane

2004-08-18, 11:06 am

Nawww, happens all the time with government inertia going on all over the
place ... heck, even the last 8 days of minor clean up operations in Sadar
City ... was becasue of rogue marine commanders directing their troops
without Iraqi Picked Government approval or Commander N Chief approval and
did it for 8 days of fighting.

Now Bush and the Iraqi Picked Government are fed up with Sadar City and want
to Stalingrad them to death ... reaching out to the other side, being a
uniter not a divider.

sumbuddie not making dis up ...

in article cfudq9$mrr$0@pita.alt.net, Panther at panther@asarian-intl.org
wrote on 8/17/04 7:07 PM:

> Gee I'm surprised with all the extra security guards, police and god knows
> what else that they could even get that close to Bush. Another security
> failure?

bob

2004-08-18, 7:07 pm

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:00:52 GMT, "Alan B. Mac Farlane"
<alanb@sonic.net> wrote:

>Hey guys ...
>
>Seems Ashcroft and his Patroit Act has uncovered specific, credible,
>actionable intelligence that people are out to attack FOX network fair and
>balanced and unafraid now.
>
>The attack is to coincide with the Republican Party Convention.
>
>Did you hear that on the Bush inaugeration parade 4 years ago - he was
>pelted with eggs and the motorcade had to be stoped and Bush go to his party
>on another road to the white house.
>
>First time in history an elected President was so reviled at the get go.
>
>Lots of firsts for Bush.
>
>Insensitive Bush ... 4 more years.

I'm not convinced. I was six months ago but now I'm not so certain.
Kerry has a good shot at the presidency. If he wins then Jeb Bush will
probably have a shot at the 2008 election.

linda

2004-08-18, 10:07 pm

In article <BD480662.25FB%alanb@sonic.net>,
"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote:

> Hey guys ...
>
> Seems Ashcroft and his Patroit Act has uncovered specific, credible,
> actionable intelligence that people are out to attack FOX network fair and
> balanced and unafraid now.
>
> The attack is to coincide with the Republican Party Convention.
>
> Did you hear that on the Bush inaugeration parade 4 years ago - he was
> pelted with eggs and the motorcade had to be stoped and Bush go to his party
> on another road to the white house.
>
> First time in history an elected President was so reviled at the get go.
>
> Lots of firsts for Bush.
>
> Insensitive Bush ... 4 more years.
>
> sumbuddie on da watchtower
>
>

>

they're so worried about what might happen at the GOP convention. (but not
the one in Boston for some strange reason) check this
out..................linda (who can't get over the stupid lie bush was
caught in....varsity polo team at Yale when Yale never even had a polo team)

--------------------------------------
FBI Tracks Potential GOP Protesters

2 hours, 49 minutes ago

By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - With the Republican National Convention less than two weeks away,
federal agents and city police are keeping tabs on activists and others they
believe might try to cause trouble. They are making unannounced visits to
people's homes, conducting interviews and monitoring Web sites and meetings.

The effort has been overshadowed by far-reaching counterterrorism measures
planned for the Aug. 30-Sept. 2 event. Officials will not discuss it on the
record, other than to say investigators always act within the law.

"We're not engaging in surveillance of groups or individuals without legal
predication," said Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the FBI (news - web
sites)'s New York office.

"Just a visit by the FBI has overtones," said John Young, a 68-year-old
activist who says the government has been monitoring a Web site he runs ever
since agents showed up at his door late last year. "Whether you've done
anything wrong or not, you think, 'Oh no.'"

Ann Roman, a Secret Service spokeswoman, said its agents expect to respond
to an increase in possible domestic threats against President Bush (news -
web sites) and other dignitaries as the convention at Madison Square Garden
nears.

"How we do that specifically, I'm not going to go into," Roman said.

According to three law-enforcement sources, federal agents in New York have
begun interviewing people they believe might know about plots to sow mayhem
at the convention, and have used surveillance against possible suspects.

The intelligence unit of the New York Police Department has been watching
Web sites run by self-described anarchists. It also has sent young,
scruffy-looking officers posing as activists to protest-organizing meetings,
said one high-ranking law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of
anonymity.

Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union,
raised an alarm, arguing that few people know they have a right to turn away
the FBI.

"Political interrogation without suspicion of criminal activity harkens back
to the bad old days of the McCarthy era," she said. "The FBI does not have a
right to intimidate people for criticizing the government."

Officials deny the operation threatens civil rights. They note that the FBI
interviews are voluntary, and that protest meetings and Internet postings
being monitored are public forums.

The Justice Department (news - web sites), through its office of legal
counsel, concluded in an April 2004 memo that two FBI bulletins were proper
in alerting law enforcement officers last year about expected protests in
Washington, San Francisco and Miami.

Recent FBI bulletins about anti-war protests have urged local police to "be
alert" and report "potentially illegal acts" to federal terrorism task
forces. Illegal activity -- such as bombings, vandalism or trespass -- "falls
outside the scope of the First Amendment," the Justice Department concluded.

In recent weeks, several people linked to anarchist groups in Colorado,
Kansas, Missouri and elsewhere have reported being "harassed" by federal
agents about the convention.

Many activists fear a repeat of the last Republican convention, in
Philadelphia, where authorities were accused of rounding up protesters on
trumped-up charges before they could take to the streets. Police raided a
warehouse and seized puppets that protesters planned to use as props, and
arrested an organizer on misdemeanor charges and held on $1 million bail
before his case was dropped.

Authorities in New York say no pre-emptive strikes are planned.

"We're not looking to get people with open warrants or anything like that,"
the law enforcement source said. "We'll only arrest them if they commit
vandalism or other illegal acts on 'Game Day.'"

In Manhattan, Young caught law enforcement's attention by what he described
as an innocent attempt to expose gaps in national security through his Web
site, cryptome.org. Recent postings feature diagrams, maps and photos of
rail tunnels and gas lines leading toward Madison Square Garden.

The goal, he said, was "to point out what's not being protected."

In November, two FBI agents arrived at his apartment and told him they
believed information on his site "could be used to harm the United States,"
he said.

"They were very polite," he said. "They made it clear that nothing I was
doing was illegal."

The agents also suggested he could help them identify threats -- an idea he
rejected as "an invitation to be an informant."

Since then, Young said, his Web site has recorded a "tremendous number" of
hits from the Department of Justice (news - web sites) and -- in recent weeks
-- the NYPD.

"It certainly is chilling," he said.

___

Associated Press writer Devlin Barrett in Washington contributed to this
report.

linda

2004-08-18, 10:07 pm

In article <cfudq9$mrr$0@pita.alt.net>,
"Panther" <panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:

> "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:BD480662.25FB%alanb@sonic.net...
> party
>
>
>
> Gee I'm surprised with all the extra security guards, police and god knows
> what else that they could even get that close to Bush. Another security
> failure?
>

have you had a chance to see Fahrenheit 911 yet, Panther? it describes what
happened. i've ordered it but it's not due out until Oct. i just got my
"outfoxed" DVD.

linda

>
>
>

Panther

2004-08-18, 10:07 pm

"linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
news:2creus1spam-42D12A.17141518082004@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <cfudq9$mrr$0@pita.alt.net>,
> "Panther" <panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:
>
and[vbcol=seagreen]
go.[vbcol=seagreen]
knows[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> have you had a chance to see Fahrenheit 911 yet, Panther? it describes
what
> happened. i've ordered it but it's not due out until Oct. i just got my
> "outfoxed" DVD.
>
> linda
>

No not yet. It's on my priority list though that's for sure. I suspect
October it will be fairly easy to get a copy to view.

[vbcol=seagreen]
>

Panther

2004-08-18, 10:07 pm

Well we always knew he'd get even more paranoid the closer the election.

A person I offered some space to when his blog went down sends out an email
newsletter called A- musing Letter.

He takes news clips and adds funny captions. Needless to say Bush is his
prime target. He just emailed and said he got a threatening letter where
some complained that he was sending out commercial spam and uses a nick. He
was told that he would lose his AT&T account if he didn't stop.

It's really way out of hand. Ashcroft is a busy little beaver, freedom of
speach is going down the drains. Bush is probably wanting to bring 70,000
troops home because he feels he needs them for the up and coming election.
People are really having reason to fear these days. With the banking
software that was put into place, ISP's are being asked to cooperate, FBI
watching anyone who has a distain for Bush, and a crazy paranoid religious
right President and Attorney General (not to even mention the pro big
business hawks Rumsfield, Chaney and Wolfowitz ) we are in very sorry times.
With what 9? weeks left before the elections there is too much time to see
more freedoms eroded.

Panther

"linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
news:2creus1spam-0D9833.17123018082004@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <BD480662.25FB%alanb@sonic.net>,
> "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote:
>
and[vbcol=seagreen]
party[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> they're so worried about what might happen at the GOP convention. (but
not
> the one in Boston for some strange reason) check this
> out..................linda (who can't get over the stupid lie bush was
> caught in....varsity polo team at Yale when Yale never even had a polo
team)
>
> --------------------------------------
> FBI Tracks Potential GOP Protesters
>
> 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
>
>
> By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer
>
> NEW YORK - With the Republican National Convention less than two weeks
away,
> federal agents and city police are keeping tabs on activists and others
they
> believe might try to cause trouble. They are making unannounced visits to
> people's homes, conducting interviews and monitoring Web sites and
meetings.
>
>
> The effort has been overshadowed by far-reaching counterterrorism measures
> planned for the Aug. 30-Sept. 2 event. Officials will not discuss it on
the
> record, other than to say investigators always act within the law.
>
>
> "We're not engaging in surveillance of groups or individuals without legal
> predication," said Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the FBI (news - web
> sites)'s New York office.
>
>
> "Just a visit by the FBI has overtones," said John Young, a 68-year-old
> activist who says the government has been monitoring a Web site he runs
ever
> since agents showed up at his door late last year. "Whether you've done
> anything wrong or not, you think, 'Oh no.'"
>
>
> Ann Roman, a Secret Service spokeswoman, said its agents expect to respond
> to an increase in possible domestic threats against President Bush (news -
> web sites) and other dignitaries as the convention at Madison Square
Garden
> nears.
>
>
> "How we do that specifically, I'm not going to go into," Roman said.
>
>
> According to three law-enforcement sources, federal agents in New York
have
> begun interviewing people they believe might know about plots to sow
mayhem
> at the convention, and have used surveillance against possible suspects.
>
>
> The intelligence unit of the New York Police Department has been watching
> Web sites run by self-described anarchists. It also has sent young,
> scruffy-looking officers posing as activists to protest-organizing
meetings,
> said one high-ranking law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of
> anonymity.
>
>
> Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union,
> raised an alarm, arguing that few people know they have a right to turn
away
> the FBI.
>
>
> "Political interrogation without suspicion of criminal activity harkens
back
> to the bad old days of the McCarthy era," she said. "The FBI does not have
a
> right to intimidate people for criticizing the government."
>
>
> Officials deny the operation threatens civil rights. They note that the
FBI
> interviews are voluntary, and that protest meetings and Internet postings
> being monitored are public forums.
>
>
> The Justice Department (news - web sites), through its office of legal
> counsel, concluded in an April 2004 memo that two FBI bulletins were
proper
> in alerting law enforcement officers last year about expected protests in
> Washington, San Francisco and Miami.
>
>
> Recent FBI bulletins about anti-war protests have urged local police to
"be
> alert" and report "potentially illegal acts" to federal terrorism task
> forces. Illegal activity -- such as bombings, vandalism or trespass --
"falls
> outside the scope of the First Amendment," the Justice Department
concluded.
>
>
> In recent weeks, several people linked to anarchist groups in Colorado,
> Kansas, Missouri and elsewhere have reported being "harassed" by federal
> agents about the convention.
>
>
> Many activists fear a repeat of the last Republican convention, in
> Philadelphia, where authorities were accused of rounding up protesters on
> trumped-up charges before they could take to the streets. Police raided a
> warehouse and seized puppets that protesters planned to use as props, and
> arrested an organizer on misdemeanor charges and held on $1 million bail
> before his case was dropped.
>
>
> Authorities in New York say no pre-emptive strikes are planned.
>
>
> "We're not looking to get people with open warrants or anything like
that,"
> the law enforcement source said. "We'll only arrest them if they commit
> vandalism or other illegal acts on 'Game Day.'"
>
>
> In Manhattan, Young caught law enforcement's attention by what he
described
> as an innocent attempt to expose gaps in national security through his Web
> site, cryptome.org. Recent postings feature diagrams, maps and photos of
> rail tunnels and gas lines leading toward Madison Square Garden.
>
> The goal, he said, was "to point out what's not being protected."
>
> In November, two FBI agents arrived at his apartment and told him they
> believed information on his site "could be used to harm the United
States,"
> he said.
>
> "They were very polite," he said. "They made it clear that nothing I was
> doing was illegal."
>
> The agents also suggested he could help them identify threats -- an idea
he
> rejected as "an invitation to be an informant."
>
> Since then, Young said, his Web site has recorded a "tremendous number" of
> hits from the Department of Justice (news - web sites) and -- in recent
weeks
> -- the NYPD.
>
> "It certainly is chilling," he said.
>
> ___
>
> Associated Press writer Devlin Barrett in Washington contributed to this
> report.

kaitlyn

2004-08-19, 2:06 am

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:40:35 -0400, "Panther"
<panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:

>
>
>Well we always knew he'd get even more paranoid the closer the election.
>
>A person I offered some space to when his blog went down sends out an email
>newsletter called A- musing Letter.

How's his site coming Panther? I'm glad your helping him. I simply
love his work.

>He takes news clips and adds funny captions. Needless to say Bush is his
>prime target. He just emailed and said he got a threatening letter where
>some complained that he was sending out commercial spam and uses a nick. He
>was told that he would lose his AT&T account if he didn't stop.

Oh really? Interesting. I'm going to email him now.
Hugs
kaitlyn

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2004-08-19, 2:06 am

"kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@asarian-host.net> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:40:35 -0400, "Panther"
> <panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:
>
email[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> How's his site coming Panther? I'm glad your helping him. I simply
> love his work.
>

He was able to correct the browser blog problem so it appears he can stay
where he. Said he then received the notice. I mentioned to him that even
if he loses his IP account there is nothing to prevent him from using
commercial resources for an ISP connection or most likely a public library.
There is nothing illegal about using a nick to do a website, if it were we'd
all be in deep shit <G>. Re it being commercial spam, people sign up for
his newsletter and I can't see how it can be called "commercial" when there
is nothing for sale - frankly I feel it's a public service message with
humor <G>.

I let him know that the offer still holds if he needs it. Also a majordome
mailing list might do away with claims of "commercial" spam. I forgot to
bring up the possibility of the php bulletin board but that might also
prevent claims of commercial spam.

Panther

He[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Oh really? Interesting. I'm going to email him now.
> Hugs
> kaitlyn
>
>
>
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Katherine Wolfe

2004-08-19, 2:06 am

"linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
news:2creus1spam-0D9833.17123018082004@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <BD480662.25FB%alanb@sonic.net>,
>
> "Political interrogation without suspicion of criminal activity harkens
back
> to the bad old days of the McCarthy era," she said. "The FBI does not have
a
> right to intimidate people for criticizing the government."
>
>
> Officials deny the operation threatens civil rights. They note that the
FBI
> interviews are voluntary, and that protest meetings and Internet postings
> being monitored are public forums.

So, anyone who's doing internet organizing, be sure to find yourself a good
criminal attorney, and if the FBI comes knocking, don't say one word to them
without your attorney present. They may try to intimidate you into talking
to them without representation, but don't. I've seen, the past few years,
reports of several cases of the Justice Department looking into every last
possible thing they can to get an indictment on someone - so anything you
say might give them the opening they're looking for to stick you in the
slammer.

Amazing, isn't it, that we have to think about going to jail for talking on
the net?

Katherine

satyagrahas

2004-08-19, 4:06 am

"Katherine Wolfe" <wolfmoon@aracnet.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
cg1cti01uqf@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
> "linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:2creus1spam-0D9833.17123018082004@corp.supernews.com...
> back
have[vbcol=seagreen]
> a
> FBI
postings[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> So, anyone who's doing internet organizing, be sure to find yourself a
good
> criminal attorney, and if the FBI comes knocking, don't say one word to
them
> without your attorney present. They may try to intimidate you into
talking
> to them without representation, but don't. I've seen, the past few years,
> reports of several cases of the Justice Department looking into every last
> possible thing they can to get an indictment on someone - so anything you
> say might give them the opening they're looking for to stick you in the
> slammer.
>
> Amazing, isn't it, that we have to think about going to jail for talking
on
> the net?
>
> Katherine
>

don't you have organisations to help you regroup and stop that???
are they already existing? are they easy to rejoin?

sorry for you out there..

satya

linda

2004-08-19, 11:07 am

In article <cg1cti01uqf@enews4.newsguy.com>,
"Katherine Wolfe" <wolfmoon@aracnet.com> wrote:

> "linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:2creus1spam-0D9833.17123018082004@corp.supernews.com...
> back
> a
> FBI
>
> So, anyone who's doing internet organizing, be sure to find yourself a good
> criminal attorney, and if the FBI comes knocking, don't say one word to them
> without your attorney present. They may try to intimidate you into talking
> to them without representation, but don't. I've seen, the past few years,
> reports of several cases of the Justice Department looking into every last
> possible thing they can to get an indictment on someone - so anything you
> say might give them the opening they're looking for to stick you in the
> slammer.
>
> Amazing, isn't it, that we have to think about going to jail for talking on
> the net?
>
> Katherine
>

and on the phone and in local democratic meetings and such.
the FBI was bugging the dem. mayor of Philly and never gave a reason why
that i ever heard. they just came and picked up the bugs he found in his
office and quietly left. little local peace groups where they're sitting
around eating donuts and bs'ing with each other are infiltrated by members
of the govt. because they're suspicious. or whatever they're reasoning was.
if one was ever given. usually they just go quiet and wait for people's
outrage to die down. and it does. that's what is really scarey.

linda

linda

2004-08-19, 11:07 am

In article <cg0t30$2hr$0@pita.alt.net>,
"Panther" <panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:

>
>
> Well we always knew he'd get even more paranoid the closer the election.
>
> A person I offered some space to when his blog went down sends out an email
> newsletter called A- musing Letter.
>
> He takes news clips and adds funny captions. Needless to say Bush is his
> prime target. He just emailed and said he got a threatening letter where
> some complained that he was sending out commercial spam and uses a nick. He
> was told that he would lose his AT&T account if he didn't stop.
>
> It's really way out of hand. Ashcroft is a busy little beaver, freedom of
> speach is going down the drains. Bush is probably wanting to bring 70,000
> troops home because he feels he needs them for the up and coming election.
> People are really having reason to fear these days. With the banking
> software that was put into place, ISP's are being asked to cooperate, FBI
> watching anyone who has a distain for Bush, and a crazy paranoid religious
> right President and Attorney General (not to even mention the pro big
> business hawks Rumsfield, Chaney and Wolfowitz ) we are in very sorry times.
> With what 9? weeks left before the elections there is too much time to see
> more freedoms eroded.
>
> Panther

that's awful.

they are busy little beavers and we'll have no forest left in which to find
privacy if we don't watch out. big brother isn't coming. he is here.

linda

Panther

2004-08-19, 7:07 pm

I think we'll be hearing of more and more incidents as we get closer to the
election time.

"linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
news:2creus1spam-123F9A.06360819082004@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <cg1cti01uqf@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> "Katherine Wolfe" <wolfmoon@aracnet.com> wrote:
>
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>
> and on the phone and in local democratic meetings and such.
> the FBI was bugging the dem. mayor of Philly and never gave a reason why
> that i ever heard. they just came and picked up the bugs he found in his
> office and quietly left. little local peace groups where they're sitting
> around eating donuts and bs'ing with each other are infiltrated by members
> of the govt. because they're suspicious. or whatever they're reasoning
was.
> if one was ever given. usually they just go quiet and wait for people's
> outrage to die down. and it does. that's what is really scarey.
>
> linda

Panther

2004-08-19, 7:07 pm

"linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
news:2creus1spam-BD6869.06404819082004@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <cg0t30$2hr$0@pita.alt.net>,
> "Panther" <panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:
>
email[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
> that's awful.
>
> they are busy little beavers and we'll have no forest left in which to
find
> privacy if we don't watch out. big brother isn't coming. he is here.
>
> linda

Kind of makes you wonder if his reason for bringing home , what 70,000,
troops is so he can declare martial law just prior to or after the
elections.

Panther

Panther

2004-08-19, 7:07 pm

"satyagrahas" <satyagrahas**s@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2oj4rnFajbloU1@uni-berlin.de...
> "Katherine Wolfe" <wolfmoon@aracnet.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> cg1cti01uqf@enews4.newsguy.com...
harkens[vbcol=seagreen]
> have
the[vbcol=seagreen]
> postings
> good
> them
> talking
years,[vbcol=seagreen]
last[vbcol=seagreen]
you[vbcol=seagreen]
> on
>
> don't you have organisations to help you regroup and stop that???
> are they already existing? are they easy to rejoin?
>
> sorry for you out there..
>
> satya
>
>

Well there is the ACLU but they've been relatively quiet these days although
occasionally they do speak up. Thing is, it doesn't appear that speaking
out matters anymore, it's just ignored. Perhaps in part that is because the
Justice Department often then gets involved and that's basically Ashcroft
now. You also had an option to contact your Congressmen who would sometimes
go to bat for you. Now adays they seem pretty ineffective (although many
have gotten more vocal since there is an election coming up). I think a lot
of people are subconsciously or consciously scared. As far as I'm concerned
the media is pretty much taken over by the government. With approximately
50% of the people against this administration there is precious little about
their distain for this administration in the media, and even less about the
demise of freedoms we once enjoyed. A short time ago it would have been
unthinkable that these violations would occur. (They say well 9/11 changed
all of that and we have to make sacrifices due to terrorists. Guess now
people who do not agree with this administration abet the causes of
terrorism.) Seems the only place people can come together and know that
they are not alone in their fear of what the government is coming too do so
on the internet despite the media's minimization of what's been slowly going
on. (Most people don't even realize that they've installed software that
tracks people via banking). So slowly they have targeted the freedom of
speech in the internet.

Linda is right, big brother is not coming, he is here and deeply embedded in
citizens former right to privacy and free speech.

Panther

Alan B. Mac Farlane

2004-08-19, 7:07 pm

in article 53k7i015drg16kluljj54a0rj7ol31ct0q@4ax.com, bob at
thanatos@coldmail.nu wrote on 8/18/04 3:00 PM:

> I'm not convinced. I was six months ago but now I'm not so certain.
> Kerry has a good shot at the presidency. If he wins then Jeb Bush will
> probably have a shot at the 2008 election.

nawwww .... the Bush Base is solid right along with his money guys who want
more of this debt spending, spending, spending ... all they need is another
terror attack to come in and Bush just grabs a megaphone and dont do a thing
the poll numbers go through the roof. which is exactly what happened three
years ago and still a governors plane gets through the security net to
attack the White House and Congress.

sumbuddie watching the news

Panther

2004-08-19, 7:07 pm

"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:BD4A3348.265A%alanb@sonic.net...
> in article 53k7i015drg16kluljj54a0rj7ol31ct0q@4ax.com, bob at
> thanatos@coldmail.nu wrote on 8/18/04 3:00 PM:
>
>
>
> nawwww .... the Bush Base is solid right along with his money guys who
want
> more of this debt spending, spending, spending ... all they need is
another
> terror attack to come in and Bush just grabs a megaphone and dont do a
thing
> the poll numbers go through the roof. which is exactly what happened
three
> years ago and still a governors plane gets through the security net to
> attack the White House and Congress.
>
> sumbuddie watching the news
>
>

>

According to the book I just finished (that was pro Bush) seems to indicate
that Jeb and his family do have designs on the White House for 2008. Of
course, that won't be necessary if W gets in for another 4 years. By then
he probably will just declare himself the Shah of the US and make Jeb second
in command.

satyagrahas

2004-08-19, 7:07 pm

"Panther" <panther@asarian-intl.org> a écrit dans le message de news:
cg2l8c$b1p$0@pita.alt.net...
> "satyagrahas" <satyagrahas**s@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2oj4rnFajbloU1@uni-berlin.de...
news:[vbcol=seagreen]
> harkens
not[vbcol=seagreen]
> the
to[vbcol=seagreen]
> years,
> last
> you
the[vbcol=seagreen]
talking[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Well there is the ACLU but they've been relatively quiet these days
although
> occasionally they do speak up. Thing is, it doesn't appear that speaking
> out matters anymore, it's just ignored. Perhaps in part that is because
the
> Justice Department often then gets involved and that's basically Ashcroft
> now. You also had an option to contact your Congressmen who would
sometimes
> go to bat for you. Now adays they seem pretty ineffective (although many
> have gotten more vocal since there is an election coming up). I think a
lot
> of people are subconsciously or consciously scared. As far as I'm
concerned
> the media is pretty much taken over by the government. With approximately
> 50% of the people against this administration there is precious little
about
> their distain for this administration in the media, and even less about
the
> demise of freedoms we once enjoyed. A short time ago it would have been
> unthinkable that these violations would occur. (They say well 9/11
changed
> all of that and we have to make sacrifices due to terrorists. Guess now
> people who do not agree with this administration abet the causes of
> terrorism.) Seems the only place people can come together and know that
> they are not alone in their fear of what the government is coming too do
so
> on the internet despite the media's minimization of what's been slowly
going
> on. (Most people don't even realize that they've installed software that
> tracks people via banking). So slowly they have targeted the freedom of
> speech in the internet.
>
> Linda is right, big brother is not coming, he is here and deeply embedded
in
> citizens former right to privacy and free speech.
>
> Panther
>

thanks for the explanations

from far away, the question is very much who is terrorizing the americans
today ?? seems it is much more their own government than the "terrorists"
themselfs....

my first impuls when i read what you wrote was to think that indeed
collective karma is functioning right under our eyes here.
the problem is that it is still scary.

peace to you

satya

Panther

2004-08-20, 7:10 pm

Alan B. Mac Farlane

2004-08-20, 7:10 pm

in article cg3060$2ao$0@pita.alt.net, Panther at panther@asarian-intl.org
wrote on 8/19/04 12:45 PM:

>
> According to the book I just finished (that was pro Bush) seems to indicate
> that Jeb and his family do have designs on the White House for 2008. Of
> course, that won't be necessary if W gets in for another 4 years. By then
> he probably will just declare himself the Shah of the US and make Jeb second
> in command.

Praise Jesus, may God wills be done ... full speed ahead to the Armageddon
so all the evil homosexual liberal hollywood intellectual medical marijuana
physician assisted passing over elietists go to Hell with Satan ... for ever
and ever Ahmen.

sumbuddie

linda

2004-08-20, 7:10 pm

In article <cg2kai$93t$0@pita.alt.net>,
"Panther" <panther@asarian-intl.org> wrote:

> "linda" <2creus1spam@suxcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:2creus1spam-BD6869.06404819082004@corp.supernews.com...

snips[vbcol=seagreen]
> find
>
>
> Kind of makes you wonder if his reason for bringing home , what 70,000,
> troops is so he can declare martial law just prior to or after the
> elections.
>
> Panther
>
>

i wouldn't put anything past him/them. they're already paving the way for
that along with canceling elections for whatever scare they come up with.

linda

Panther

2004-08-21, 7:14 pm

Panther genuflects.

"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:BD4BA852.26A6%alanb@sonic.net...
> in article cg3060$2ao$0@pita.alt.net, Panther at panther@asarian-intl.org
> wrote on 8/19/04 12:45 PM:
>
indicate[vbcol=seagreen]
then[vbcol=seagreen]
second[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Praise Jesus, may God wills be done ... full speed ahead to the Armageddon
> so all the evil homosexual liberal hollywood intellectual medical
marijuana
> physician assisted passing over elietists go to Hell with Satan ... for
ever
> and ever Ahmen.
>
> sumbuddie
>

Panther

2004-08-22, 7:06 am

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2004-08-25, 11:16 am

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2004-08-25, 11:16 am

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2004-08-25, 11:16 am

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2004-08-25, 11:16 am

satyagrahas

2004-08-25, 11:16 am

satya

Alan B. Mac Farlane

2004-08-25, 11:16 am

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2004-08-25, 11:16 am

bob

2004-08-25, 11:17 am

linda

2004-08-25, 11:17 am

linda

2004-08-25, 11:17 am

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2004-08-25, 11:17 am

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2004-08-25, 11:17 am

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