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| Roman Bystrianyk 2005-07-20, 12:14 pm |
| http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_n...ist_item&id=049
Roman Bystrianyk, "Soy is good for your kidneys and heart", Health
Sentinel, July 20, 2005,
Diabetic nephropathy is kidney disease that develops as a result of
diabetes and is the primary cause of chronic renal failure in the
United States and other Western countries. It is also one of the most
significant long-term complications for individual patients with
diabetes, with as many as 50% of patients ending up with this
complication if they have had diabetes for twenty or more years.
Approximately 40% of End Stage Renal Disease, or ESRD, cases can be
directly attributed to diabetic nephropathy. ESRD requires the patient
to undergo dialysis or kidney transplantation in order to live. In
people with type I diabetes who develop protein in the urine, ESRD or
death usually follows after about 5-10 years.
Poor blood sugar control, high blood pressure, excessive levels of
blood fats, and excessive dietary protein are correctable factors that
effect the progression of diabetic nephropathy. Protein restricted
diets have been of limited benefit more than likely because of poor
compliance as Americans in general tend to consume approximately twice
the protein they require.
Both animal and human studies comparing nutritionally equivalent
amounts of animal and soy protein have shown that animal protein intake
significantly increases the risk of diabetic kidney disease. A new
study in the July issue of Clinical Nephrology examines whether
substituting soy protein for animal protein would help improve this
serious condition.
The study investigators examined 12 adults with type I diabetes. They
measured the patients' Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR), which is
usually accepted as the best overall indicator of kidney function,
total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and oxidized LDL cholesterol. After
four weeks on their baseline diet, the patients then modified their
diet by substituting soy protein for animal protein for eight weeks,
and then were placed on a control diet that contained more animal
protein for eight weeks. Research participants were provided soy foods
that included 45 to 55 grams of soy protein. Foods that were provided
were soy patties, soy pasta, soy chocolate drinks, soy bars, roasted
soy nuts and edamame.
At the end of the soy diet the participants' GFR was lowered by 10%
as compared to the baseline and control diet period. Also, the total
cholesterol was "significantly reduced during the soy diet as
compared with both baseline and the control diet." In addition, LDL
cholesterol was "significantly lower after eight weeks of the soy
diet compared with baseline (8.7% reduction) and the control diet
(10.3% reduction)." Furthermore, a non-significant reduction of 9%
was noticed in oxidized LDL cholesterol.
Animal and human studies have shown that GFR and renal blood flow
"increase significantly after an animal protein load, but remain
unchanged after intake of soy protein." However as soy contains other
compounds such as isoflavones (genistein and daidzein), sterols, and
omega-3 fatty acids, it may not be the soy protein alone that has this
positive effect.
The study confirms the "well established lipid-lowering effect of
dietary soy both in subjects with normal kidney function and in type 2
diabetes subjects." This blood fat lowering effect may be in part
because soybeans are a cholesterol-free legume. Because of this there
was a reduction of approximately 50% in dietary cholesterol during the
soy diet, as well as lowered saturated and other fats. In addition,
both "soy protein and the isoflavones have been independently
implicated in this [lipid-lowering] effect."
The authors conclude that, "the results of this pilot study suggest
that substituting soy foods for animal foods reduces GFR and improves
the lipid profile in adults with type I diabetes and hyperfiltration.
Additive or synergistic effects of the soy protein and isoflavones may
contribute to the renal protective properties of a soy-rich diet."
SOURCE: Clinical Nephrology, July 2005
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| cathyb 2005-07-20, 12:14 pm |
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_n...ist_item&id=049
>
> Roman Bystrianyk, "Soy is good for your kidneys and heart", Health
> Sentinel, July 20, 2005,
>
> Diabetic nephropathy is kidney disease that develops as a result of
> diabetes and is the primary cause of chronic renal failure in the
> United States and other Western countries. It is also one of the most
> significant long-term complications for individual patients with
> diabetes, with as many as 50% of patients ending up with this
> complication if they have had diabetes for twenty or more years.
>
> Approximately 40% of End Stage Renal Disease, or ESRD, cases can be
> directly attributed to diabetic nephropathy. ESRD requires the patient
> to undergo dialysis or kidney transplantation in order to live. In
> people with type I diabetes who develop protein in the urine, ESRD or
> death usually follows after about 5-10 years.
>
> Poor blood sugar control, high blood pressure, excessive levels of
> blood fats, and excessive dietary protein are correctable factors that
> effect the progression of diabetic nephropathy. Protein restricted
> diets have been of limited benefit more than likely because of poor
> compliance as Americans in general tend to consume approximately twice
> the protein they require.
>
> Both animal and human studies comparing nutritionally equivalent
> amounts of animal and soy protein have shown that animal protein intake
> significantly increases the risk of diabetic kidney disease. A new
> study in the July issue of Clinical Nephrology examines whether
> substituting soy protein for animal protein would help improve this
> serious condition.
>
> The study investigators examined 12 adults with type I diabetes. They
> measured the patients' Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR), which is
> usually accepted as the best overall indicator of kidney function,
> total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and oxidized LDL cholesterol. After
> four weeks on their baseline diet, the patients then modified their
> diet by substituting soy protein for animal protein for eight weeks,
> and then were placed on a control diet that contained more animal
> protein for eight weeks. Research participants were provided soy foods
> that included 45 to 55 grams of soy protein. Foods that were provided
> were soy patties, soy pasta, soy chocolate drinks, soy bars, roasted
> soy nuts and edamame.
>
> At the end of the soy diet the participants' GFR was lowered by 10%
> as compared to the baseline and control diet period. Also, the total
> cholesterol was "significantly reduced during the soy diet as
> compared with both baseline and the control diet." In addition, LDL
> cholesterol was "significantly lower after eight weeks of the soy
> diet compared with baseline (8.7% reduction) and the control diet
> (10.3% reduction)." Furthermore, a non-significant reduction of 9%
> was noticed in oxidized LDL cholesterol.
>
> Animal and human studies have shown that GFR and renal blood flow
> "increase significantly after an animal protein load, but remain
> unchanged after intake of soy protein." However as soy contains other
> compounds such as isoflavones (genistein and daidzein), sterols, and
> omega-3 fatty acids, it may not be the soy protein alone that has this
> positive effect.
>
> The study confirms the "well established lipid-lowering effect of
> dietary soy both in subjects with normal kidney function and in type 2
> diabetes subjects." This blood fat lowering effect may be in part
> because soybeans are a cholesterol-free legume. Because of this there
> was a reduction of approximately 50% in dietary cholesterol during the
> soy diet, as well as lowered saturated and other fats. In addition,
> both "soy protein and the isoflavones have been independently
> implicated in this [lipid-lowering] effect."
>
> The authors conclude that, "the results of this pilot study suggest
> that substituting soy foods for animal foods reduces GFR and improves
> the lipid profile in adults with type I diabetes and hyperfiltration.
> Additive or synergistic effects of the soy protein and isoflavones may
> contribute to the renal protective properties of a soy-rich diet."
>
> SOURCE: Clinical Nephrology, July 2005
And unlike sprouts, soy tastes good! Everyone's a winner.
Cheers,
Cathy
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| Roman Bystrianyk 2005-07-20, 12:14 pm |
| If you've ever tried a tofu-banana-cream pie - oh my it's delicious!
Plus it's so easy to make!
Enjoy your day.
Roman
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_n...ist_item&id=049
>
> Roman Bystrianyk, "Soy is good for your kidneys and heart", Health
> Sentinel, July 20, 2005,
>
> Diabetic nephropathy is kidney disease that develops as a result of
> diabetes and is the primary cause of chronic renal failure in the
> United States and other Western countries. It is also one of the most
> significant long-term complications for individual patients with
> diabetes, with as many as 50% of patients ending up with this
> complication if they have had diabetes for twenty or more years.
>
> Approximately 40% of End Stage Renal Disease, or ESRD, cases can be
> directly attributed to diabetic nephropathy. ESRD requires the patient
> to undergo dialysis or kidney transplantation in order to live. In
> people with type I diabetes who develop protein in the urine, ESRD or
> death usually follows after about 5-10 years.
>
> Poor blood sugar control, high blood pressure, excessive levels of
> blood fats, and excessive dietary protein are correctable factors that
> effect the progression of diabetic nephropathy. Protein restricted
> diets have been of limited benefit more than likely because of poor
> compliance as Americans in general tend to consume approximately twice
> the protein they require.
>
> Both animal and human studies comparing nutritionally equivalent
> amounts of animal and soy protein have shown that animal protein intake
> significantly increases the risk of diabetic kidney disease. A new
> study in the July issue of Clinical Nephrology examines whether
> substituting soy protein for animal protein would help improve this
> serious condition.
>
> The study investigators examined 12 adults with type I diabetes. They
> measured the patients' Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR), which is
> usually accepted as the best overall indicator of kidney function,
> total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and oxidized LDL cholesterol. After
> four weeks on their baseline diet, the patients then modified their
> diet by substituting soy protein for animal protein for eight weeks,
> and then were placed on a control diet that contained more animal
> protein for eight weeks. Research participants were provided soy foods
> that included 45 to 55 grams of soy protein. Foods that were provided
> were soy patties, soy pasta, soy chocolate drinks, soy bars, roasted
> soy nuts and edamame.
>
> At the end of the soy diet the participants' GFR was lowered by 10%
> as compared to the baseline and control diet period. Also, the total
> cholesterol was "significantly reduced during the soy diet as
> compared with both baseline and the control diet." In addition, LDL
> cholesterol was "significantly lower after eight weeks of the soy
> diet compared with baseline (8.7% reduction) and the control diet
> (10.3% reduction)." Furthermore, a non-significant reduction of 9%
> was noticed in oxidized LDL cholesterol.
>
> Animal and human studies have shown that GFR and renal blood flow
> "increase significantly after an animal protein load, but remain
> unchanged after intake of soy protein." However as soy contains other
> compounds such as isoflavones (genistein and daidzein), sterols, and
> omega-3 fatty acids, it may not be the soy protein alone that has this
> positive effect.
>
> The study confirms the "well established lipid-lowering effect of
> dietary soy both in subjects with normal kidney function and in type 2
> diabetes subjects." This blood fat lowering effect may be in part
> because soybeans are a cholesterol-free legume. Because of this there
> was a reduction of approximately 50% in dietary cholesterol during the
> soy diet, as well as lowered saturated and other fats. In addition,
> both "soy protein and the isoflavones have been independently
> implicated in this [lipid-lowering] effect."
>
> The authors conclude that, "the results of this pilot study suggest
> that substituting soy foods for animal foods reduces GFR and improves
> the lipid profile in adults with type I diabetes and hyperfiltration.
> Additive or synergistic effects of the soy protein and isoflavones may
> contribute to the renal protective properties of a soy-rich diet."
>
> SOURCE: Clinical Nephrology, July 2005
But; for menopausal and post menopausal women? Soy is a plant estrogen.
Estrogen use after menopause is dubious.
Zee
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| GeoSynch 2005-07-21, 8:46 am |
| Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> "Soy is good for your kidneys and heart", Health Sentinel, July 20, 2005,
"Stay the hell away from soy, boy!"
http://www.theomnivore.com/Soy_boy.html
GeoSynch
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"zee" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
read that sentence...tell me how GFR affects YOUR life??
and YOUR diabetes and YOUR hyperfiltration??
oh...you don't HAVE diabetes and potential kidney failure?? so this affects
you HOW??
remember it is not all about YOU
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> But; for menopausal and post menopausal women? Soy is a plant estrogen.
> Estrogen use after menopause is dubious.
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> Zee
are you a diabetic??
are you at risk for renal failure DUE to diabetes??
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| mmlevy46@hotmail.com 2005-07-25, 10:49 pm |
| is not soy one of the sources highest in glutamate???something anyone
with neurodegenerative diseases should definitely avoid.
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<mmlevy46@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> is not soy one of the sources highest in glutamate???something anyone
> with neurodegenerative diseases should definitely avoid.
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diabetes is not a neurodegenerative disease...
but yes you are correct about soy and glutamate
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Hawki63@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> <mmlevy46@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> diabetes is not a neurodegenerative disease...
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> but yes you are correct about soy and glutamate
Tell that to the 58 year-old woman on dialysis hoping for a *second*
kidney transplant; diabetes, and attendent treatments and
interventions, can be neurodegenerative.
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"zee" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> Tell that to the 58 year-old woman on dialysis hoping for a *second*
> kidney transplant; diabetes, and attendent treatments and
> interventions, can be neurodegenerative.
and you are telling that to a nurse with 18 years experience in dialysis??
lol lol
sometimes you lack of knowledge astounds me
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Hawki63@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> "zee" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> and you are telling that to a nurse with 18 years experience in dialysis??
> lol lol
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> sometimes you lack of knowledge astounds me
Hawki said:
"diabetes is not a neurodegenerative disease..."
Well for about 7 minutes it wasn't; until your next post. Medical
miracles abound...
Zee
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| Peter Bowditch 2005-07-26, 8:46 am |
| <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>"zee" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
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>and you are telling that to a nurse with 18 years experience in dialysis??
>lol lol
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>sometimes you lack of knowledge astounds me
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"zee" seems to have nephro- and neuro- confused
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Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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"zee" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> Hawki63@sbcglobal.net wrote:
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> Hawki said:
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> "diabetes is not a neurodegenerative disease..."
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> Well for about 7 minutes it wasn't; until your next post. Medical
> miracles abound...
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> Zee
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care to explain that in English??
your comment re the 58 year old kidney transplant receipient awaiting a
second...indicates that it is a "neurodegenerative" issue that caused the
rejection...OR the kidney failure in the first place..
neither is true...rejection is an autoimmune reaction...and occurs with the
same regularity in all forms of organ transplants.. and in receipients with
all sorts of diseases that required transplantation....rejection is not
related to diabetes
kidney failure related to diabetes is also not a "neurodegenerative"
issue...but one of poorly controlled diabetes and blood sugars...
care to take your foot out of your mouth??
now i suppose you could put diabetic neuropathy into the category of
Neurodegenerative disease...but again..neuropathy is primarily an issue in
diabetics who's diabetes and blood sugars have been uncontrolled for a long
time....thus it is not neurodegenerative at all,,but poor control of
disease..
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"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> "zee" seems to have nephro- and neuro- confused
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> Peter Bowditch aa #2243
perhaps...more than likely she thinks she can stick it to me...
and didn't notice that the soy article came from a nephrology journal...
> The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
> Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
> <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> "zee" seems to have nephro- and neuro- confused
You've never lived with someone who was on dialysis for 12 years.
Nephro and neuro.
Zee
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> Peter Bowditch aa #2243
> The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
> Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
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"zee" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> You've never lived with someone who was on dialysis for 12 years.
> Nephro and neuro.
try again.....
you are confusing etiology,,causality..complications ...etc...
a well controlled diabetic does NOT have to have the complications of renal
failure,,nor diabetic neuropathy...
nor do you understand the meaning of the word......
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| mmlevy46@hotmail.com 2005-07-26, 8:46 am |
| diabaeates is not a neurodegenerative disease????what was i thinking?
the statement was just for further information, not a specific
response. forgive me.......
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| mmlevy46@hotmail.com 2005-07-26, 5:47 pm |
| my response was based upon the fact that remedies often have more than
one effect--some wanted, some unwanted...someone with a neurological
disease in which glutamate is contarindicated might take a soy
preparation thinking they are helping their cardiovascular and renal
systems (and one study does not prove it to be true, though that has no
significance for me--ie i do not care whether it is true) and in fact
may suffer from excess glutamate intake. (and hawk, the misspelling in
the former post was due to haste--you need not point out that
"diabetes" was misspelled)
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| In article <1122407811.044969.271510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mmlevy46@hotmail.com wrote:
> my response was based upon the fact that remedies often have more than
> one effect--some wanted, some unwanted...someone with a neurological
> disease in which glutamate is contarindicated might take a soy
> preparation thinking they are helping their cardiovascular and renal
> systems (and one study does not prove it to be true, though that has no
> significance for me--ie i do not care whether it is true) and in fact
> may suffer from excess glutamate intake. (and hawk, the misspelling in
> the former post was due to haste--you need not point out that
> "diabetes" was misspelled)
Hello,
Thanks for your post. Do you know of any medical studies that prove
whether soy is good or bad for patients that have kidney problems?
Thanks in advance,
Jason
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| mmlevy46@hotmail.com 2005-07-26, 10:46 pm |
| Hello Jason, No, i know of no studies looking at that association. I
have not researched renal diseases at all--obviously my interest is in
neurodegenerative diseases.
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