Arthritis - What's the best source of info on Acid/Alkaline affects of food?

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What's the best source of info on Acid/Alkaline affects of food?

ship

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Hi

I suspect that my body may be over-acidified.

Can anyone recommend a reliable source if information
about what foods have what affect on the PH of
the human body?

[Basically I need to find
a) which foods are good at creating an Alkaline affect
b) which acidifying foods I should avoid! ]

Is there a good cheap book
OR a well-researched website?

Ship
Shiperton Heneth

Jeff

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Don't worry. If your kidneys are working well, you don;'t have to worry
about the acidity of food. Your kidneys excrete more acid, as needed.

Here is some info about how urine and saliva pH testing is bogus:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quacker...ests/reams.html

Jeff

ship

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Jeff

Although I have a BSc (hons) in Animal Science I know very little about
this subject... but yes it's pretty *obvious* that any complex organism
would be able to regulate its own pH - and the obvious way to do this
would be by excretion - such as through the kidneys.

But that is almost like stating a blind truism.

The question is that over longer periods of time does eating a diet of
one sort or another lead to long-term effects - such as calcification
or de-calcification of the bones.

Clearly testing the pH of an excretion organ would product very
spurious results - it would mainly tell you what you had been eating
lately.

One could possibly test the pH of one's blood, though again that is
unlikely to tell us anything very significant unless one did numerous
tests over numerous days. Plus you would need a very sensitive pH meter
I suspect as any variations are likely to be small.

Nonetheless it is theoretically possible that after sustained incorrect
diet that the pH of the blood my eventually become measurably "wrong".

But it would be complicated by such things as disolved CO2 content and
lactic acid/urea etc - so perhaps it might be better to measure other
indicators...

Incidentally if the body is so good at regulating its pH what is the
chemical messenger (ie hormone) that tells the kidneys whether to
extreme more or less adicic/alkaline ions (H+ ions?) ...

Ship

Shiperton Henethe

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

ship wrote:
> Jeff
>
> Although I have a BSc (hons) in Animal Science I know very little
about
> this subject... but yes it's pretty *obvious* that any complex
organism
> would be able to regulate its own pH - and the obvious way to do this
> would be by excretion - such as through the kidneys.
>
> But that is almost like stating a blind truism.

The allopaths know and are taught about acidosis and alkalinosis, but
this only has to do with abberations in the blood pH which can have
immediate and dire consequenses.
The allopaths the ADA nutritionists are not taught anything about the
acid/alkaline quality of food and the short term and long term effects.
>
> The question is that over longer periods of time does eating a diet
of
> one sort or another lead to long-term effects - such as calcification
> or de-calcification of the bones.

Why are we just now finding out and reporting that osteoporosis begins
around 25 when it has been known that it begins around age 25 for over
100 years?
This is the long term decalcification, or more properly, the
demineralization of the bones due to an overly acidic diet and
lifestyle. The concept that a female would reach menopause and
suddenly lose 60-70 % of her bone density due to hormone variations is
bogus and fraudulet, but nothing new for the allopathic medical mind.
>
> Clearly testing the pH of an excretion organ would product very
> spurious results - it would mainly tell you what you had been eating
> lately.
The kindneys and the urine can respond within hours. It is a
convenient way to control some bacterial infections and even dissolve
some kidney stones caused by an overly acidic urine.

> One could possibly test the pH of one's blood, though again that is
> unlikely to tell us anything very significant unless one did numerous
> tests over numerous days. Plus you would need a very sensitive pH
meter
> I suspect as any variations are likely to be small.
It has been tried but even when measured to say 7.400 pH units, it will
not provide you with useable diagnostic information.
>
> Nonetheless it is theoretically possible that after sustained
incorrect
> diet that the pH of the blood my eventually become measurably
"wrong".
It does happen upon occasion, but you are one sick puppy if it happens.
>
> But it would be complicated by such things as disolved CO2 content
and
> lactic acid/urea etc - so perhaps it might be better to measure other
> indicators...
>
> Incidentally if the body is so good at regulating its pH what is the
> chemical messenger (ie hormone) that tells the kidneys whether to
> extreme more or less adicic/alkaline ions (H+ ions?) ...

The blood has the phosphate buffer, the carbonate/bicarbonate,
minerals, and proteins to use to buffer the blood. The bones and
tissues will suffer long before any change will be allowed to show in
the blood.

Try reading Foods that alkalinize and heal by Hogle, available at
Amazon or Healthresearchbooks.
Basically all fresh fruits and veggies are alkaline.
All cooked foods and most grains are acidic. Spelt and millet are
alkaline.
All fresh nuts but two are acidic.
You need a balance of alkaline and acidic for health.
> Ship
>
> Shiperton Henethe

DrC PhD

Tim Campbell

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Ship,

Check out "AlkalinizeForHealth" over on yahoogroups "dot" com.
Its an excellent, helpful resource on maintaining a healthful pH
balance...

randall

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Hi Ship,

Why don't you buy THE book and do some macrobiotic dieting and let us
know how you do with it?

Less meat equals less P for me as it means less fat/arachidonic acid/
omega-6's etc.
Oh and ACID! Not LSD but regular!

You could give your demographics, onset age, duration, severity, family
members/P,
etc before and after. Then be a macobiotic psoriatic for some period of
time.

http://www.google.com/search?tab=gw...20aihara&hl=en&

It may be dated a bit. But i'm sure many are happy with it.

Others.... may...not!

And if it doesn't give you any bang for your efforts you could
supplement
with NAC, IP-6, selenium, magnesium, ALCAR and fix the colon with
wit kit ( www.thewholewhey.com ) and supplement with the proflora whey
etc.

Stand on your head, wiggle your ears and jump uP and down.

Here's a new improved food idea,
University of Michigan Food Pyramid
http://www.med.umich.edu/umim/clini...ramid/index.htm

Or is it all that new? Did hunter/gatherers live the pyramid? Some
folks today could find a reason from it to be a fruitarian. But not for
long. ;-0

But Great....grand dad/ma lived the feast or famine triP. And our genes
plus
the P ones

came from them.

And that may be a better diet to correct flucuations in the pH of your
diet
then changing what goes into the mouth! Quanity and quality certainly
could
be considered.

I can't stop thinking of one person right now close to death due to NO
water/food.

Certainly most of us could eat a lot less.

At any rate there are more technical terms for you to play around with
here.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...s&q=orac&qt_g=1

If this link above breaks use this next one and read the ones from this
group
only,
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=orac+psoriasis

If this one breaks stick p r a l (altogether of course) into
the p ng box and do it yourself,
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...s&q=pral&qt_g=1

Sure you could kill yourself with the fork. Provided your gut isn't
connected
to your brain. Or your into hedonism. Then your trading perceived
quality for less
quantity of life.

But who knows what turns you on? You can see what most folks are into.

We just don't want the same folks checking out our topical plaques and
thinking we're into something funky!

Forget what the world thinks! Get the rays on your hide!

Eat what thou wilt! Be here now!

All will be.

me.

randall... what about you!

Robert

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112200331.497221.193480@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jeff
>
> Although I have a BSc (hons) in Animal Science I know very little about
> this subject... but yes it's pretty *obvious* that any complex organism
> would be able to regulate its own pH - and the obvious way to do this
> would be by excretion - such as through the kidneys.
>
> But that is almost like stating a blind truism.

Why blind truism as there is known physiology.

>
> The question is that over longer periods of time does eating a diet of
> one sort or another lead to long-term effects - such as calcification
> or de-calcification of the bones.
That would depend on the individuals physiology at the time in relation to
his environment and eating habits.

>
> Clearly testing the pH of an excretion organ would product very
> spurious results - it would mainly tell you what you had been eating
> lately.
Yes and No. There are short term changes and then there are those with
altered physiology with inborn errors in biochemistry who have long term
changes or those with renal failure or hepatic failure that have altered
physiology as well.

>
> One could possibly test the pH of one's blood, though again that is
> unlikely to tell us anything very significant unless one did numerous
> tests over numerous days. Plus you would need a very sensitive pH meter
> I suspect as any variations are likely to be small.
All of the above is common day occurance at any hospital via blood gas
measurements.

>
> Nonetheless it is theoretically possible that after sustained incorrect
> diet that the pH of the blood my eventually become measurably "wrong".
If you are diseased yes but if you are normal then it would not impact you.

>
> But it would be complicated by such things as disolved CO2 content and
> lactic acid/urea etc - so perhaps it might be better to measure other
> indicators...

Why? I thought the premise was pH based and not something else. That is why
the whole pH diet is bogus for normal people.

>
> Incidentally if the body is so good at regulating its pH what is the
> chemical messenger (ie hormone) that tells the kidneys whether to
> extreme more or less adicic/alkaline ions (H+ ions?) ...

The acid is buffered via a bicarb to carbonic acid ratio.
The CO2 is excreted by the lungs and the kidneys control the regulation of
bicarbonate.
You can look up the rest.

>
>
>
> Ship
>
> Shiperton Henethe
>

randall

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Hi ship,

Since its your friend that has *P* and not you, why
do you keep asking us questions?

The PNG (psoriasis newsgroup) is for psoriasis! Yet
you've cross posted to us twice now.

The first time I didn't notice any thank-you's either? Or did
I?

Lets check,

http://groups-beta.google.com/group...kiYTQavV7mdW13Q

Next time you post take our group outa the cross post. Please!

I'm tired of trying to help you and watch everyone from your unruly
groups keep giving you funky diabetic advice.

Grow a brain, Or learn to google like a grown up boy already.

you said:
I suspect that my body may be over-acidified.

NoPe! Its your thinking cap!

Now, take us out next time you let fly with the over-acidified
questions.

randall

Pizza Girl

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"randall" <ranhub11@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112217311.415474.106310@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi ship,
>
> Since its your friend that has *P* and not you, why
> do you keep asking us questions?
>
> The PNG (psoriasis newsgroup) is for psoriasis! Yet
> you've cross posted to us twice now.
>
> The first time I didn't notice any thank-you's either? Or did
> I?
>
> Lets check,
>
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...kiYTQavV7mdW13Q
>
> Next time you post take our group outa the cross post. Please!
>
> I'm tired of trying to help you and watch everyone from your unruly
> groups keep giving you funky diabetic advice.
>
> Grow a brain, Or learn to google like a grown up boy already.
>
> you said:
> I suspect that my body may be over-acidified.
>
> NoPe! Its your thinking cap!
>
> Now, take us out next time you let fly with the over-acidified
> questions.
>
> randall

Maybe consider not crossposting if you disagree with it?? You complain about
the very thing you just did.

>

ship

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

DrC

I just searched for that book on Amazon:
[vbcol=seagreen]
Foods That Alkalinize and Heal
~Mary C. Hogle
Mokelumne Hill Pr
Paperback - December 1, 1993
Usually dispatched within 1 to 2 working days[vbcol=seagreen]

1993 that's rather out of date, no?
And that appears to be the only book Mary Hogle wrote...

Is there any SCIENTIFIC evidence for this acid/alkaline impact
theory. I have to say I find it strange to say the least that
a spot of cooking can suddenly transform an alkaline-forming
food into an acid-forming food! What is the biochemistry for this?

Either way what I want to know is whether there is any HARD scientific
evidence of this acid vs alkaline-forming foods debate being true.

And secondly whether there is any resource that quantifies these
different foods accurately

And thirdly whether any of this is available to the world (for free)
on the Web!

Ship
Shiperton Henethe

Alf Christophersen

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

On 30 Mar 2005 09:13:58 -0800, drceephd2@netscape.com wrote:

>The allopaths the ADA nutritionists are not taught anything about the
>acid/alkaline quality of food and the short term and long term effects.

Really?? But maybe in another fashion than you think.

They learn at least over here about how alcalic ash food ingredients
(like many vegetables containing potassium) may counteract the
acidifying effect of sulfur amino acids in proteins. Which is an
alkaline/acidic balance. And very important issue of how use of
protein may or may not promote osteoporosis.
Reducing acidifying effect of sulfur amino acids by decreasing protein
intake is not a very good idea since that will reduce amount of GSH
and taurine, and thus hamper immune system function, increasing rate
of mutation in viruses like HIV and influenza viruses. Decreasing GSH
production (which is very easily degraded into free amino acids if you
think it is a good idea to eat expensive GSH from a reseller instead
of eating cystein rich ingredients) also has many other side effects,
like deprivation of the most important antioxidation systems which are
based on GSH.

It is a better idea to increase the amount of alcalic ash food
ingredients high in potassium.

Robert

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112286737.976510.61910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> DrC
>
> I just searched for that book on Amazon:
>
> Foods That Alkalinize and Heal
> ~Mary C. Hogle
> Mokelumne Hill Pr
> Paperback - December 1, 1993
> Usually dispatched within 1 to 2 working days
>
> 1993 that's rather out of date, no?
> And that appears to be the only book Mary Hogle wrote..

Out of date? LOL

It is a stand alone work years ahead of it's time. That's why there are no
recent editions.
The other definitive works on diet comflicts with the ABO blood type diet.
Both world renown authors are in conflict which is why we are all confused
in the medical world.
..
>
> Is there any SCIENTIFIC evidence for this acid/alkaline impact
> theory. I have to say I find it strange to say the least that
> a spot of cooking can suddenly transform an alkaline-forming
> food into an acid-forming food! What is the biochemistry for this?
>
> Either way what I want to know is whether there is any HARD scientific
> evidence of this acid vs alkaline-forming foods debate being true.
>
> And secondly whether there is any resource that quantifies these
> different foods accurately
>
> And thirdly whether any of this is available to the world (for free)
> on the Web!
>
>
> Ship
> Shiperton Henethe
>

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

ship wrote:
> DrC
>
> I just searched for that book on Amazon:
>
> Foods That Alkalinize and Heal
> ~Mary C. Hogle
> Mokelumne Hill Pr
> Paperback - December 1, 1993
> Usually dispatched within 1 to 2 working days
>
> 1993 that's rather out of date, no?

When is the truth ever out of date? I think that an apple falling from
a tree still falls down to the ground and not up to the sky. Is the
earth round or flat? Does the sun circle the earth or does the earth
circle the sun?

> And that appears to be the only book Mary Hogle wrote...

So what?

> Is there any SCIENTIFIC evidence for this acid/alkaline impact
> theory.
There is over 100 years of credible scientific and medical evidence
for the acid/alkaline impact on human and animal health. However, you
have to search the orthopathic literature as I have.

You do not seem to be aware that there was, and still is, two medical
theories in the USA.
You have the allopathic medical model based upon the medical monopoly's
theory of drugs and the psuedo scientic use of those drug models to
cure disease.
There is also the orthopathic medical model based upon the concept that
only the living organism can heal itself and that there are no cures,
i.e., you simply cannot force the sick to heal by giving them poisons
to control some symptoms.

I find the orthopathic medical model to be credible, scientific,
medically correct, and easily understandable by anyone willing to think
for themselves. That said, the last medical school teaching orthopathy
was shut down by the medical monopoly in 1908. Do you really think
that I or anyone can today produce "scientific" evidence in total
opposition to the wishes of the medical monopoly?

I have to say I find it strange to say the least that
> a spot of cooking can suddenly transform an alkaline-forming
> food into an acid-forming food! What is the biochemistry for this?

It is called thermal decomposition, pyrolization, and accelerated
oxygen degration. The browning of meat is the cedompostion of the
amino acids in the protein. The smell of cabbage cooking is the odor
of the sulfur bearing amino acids decomposing.

You can feed a wild carnivore fresh meat and it will thrive. You can
feed a wild carnivore cooked meat and it will die. Why?

Many animals in the wild will eat only freshly caught meat.
Many animals in the wild will die before eating cooked foods. Why?

The worst thing you can do is feed your pet cat or dog your table
scraps. Why? They will develop heart disease, cancer, cataracts,
arthritis, and diabetes the same as you. Why?

True scientific evidence is supposed to explain for us why the things
we see happen really happens. Science is supposed to support and
explain the truth, not make truths.

> Either way what I want to know is whether there is any HARD
scientific
> evidence of this acid vs alkaline-forming foods debate being true.

It may be hard to come by but there is some somewhere.

>
> And secondly whether there is any resource that quantifies these
> different foods accurately

Try the US department of Agriculture and their analyses of the mineral
ash content of foods. There is another hygienic book which quantifies
these properties, but I do not recall his name or the book title at
this time.

>
> And thirdly whether any of this is available to the world (for free)
> on the Web!

Try the soil and health library. And please donate to help his cause.
Freedom and information is not cheap.
>
>
> Ship
> Shiperton Henethe

DrC PhD

Mark Thorson

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Robert wrote:

> "ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1112286737.976510.61910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Out of date? LOL
>
> It is a stand alone work years ahead of it's time. That's why
> there are no recent editions.

And it's not 1993. The revised third edition
was published in 1935, under the original title
_Build_Up_With_Foods_That_Alkalinize_and_Heal_.
The 1937 edition shortened the title to
_Foods_That_Alkalinize_and_Heal_.

I don't know when the first edition was published.

The 1993 printing from Mokelumne Hill is
a reprint edition -- that publisher has reprinted
many early books of "alternative" medicine
and science.

Robert

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1112297804.151435.155510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> ship wrote:
>
> When is the truth ever out of date? I think that an apple falling from
> a tree still falls down to the ground and not up to the sky. Is the
> earth round or flat? Does the sun circle the earth or does the earth
> circle the sun?
>
>
> So what?
>
> There is over 100 years of credible scientific and medical evidence
> for the acid/alkaline impact on human and animal health. However, you
> have to search the orthopathic literature as I have.
There are many, many references about acid base disorders in the literature.

>
> You do not seem to be aware that there was, and still is, two medical
> theories in the USA.
> You have the allopathic medical model based upon the medical monopoly's
> theory of drugs and the psuedo scientic use of those drug models to
> cure disease.
> There is also the orthopathic medical model based upon the concept that
> only the living organism can heal itself and that there are no cures,
> i.e., you simply cannot force the sick to heal by giving them poisons
> to control some symptoms.
>
> I find the orthopathic medical model to be credible, scientific,
> medically correct, and easily understandable by anyone willing to think
> for themselves. That said, the last medical school teaching orthopathy
> was shut down by the medical monopoly in 1908. Do you really think
> that I or anyone can today produce "scientific" evidence in total
> opposition to the wishes of the medical monopoly?

Of course not. That must be why. When there is a lack of evidence it must be
because of the oppositions conspiracy.

>
> I have to say I find it strange to say the least that
>
> It is called thermal decomposition, pyrolization, and accelerated
> oxygen degration. The browning of meat is the cedompostion of the
> amino acids in the protein. The smell of cabbage cooking is the odor
> of the sulfur bearing amino acids decomposing.
>
> You can feed a wild carnivore fresh meat and it will thrive. You can
> feed a wild carnivore cooked meat and it will die. Why?
pH?
I like my proven theory better and that is if you eat an alkaline food the
stomach acid must be produced in order to balance the acid. Classic Acid
base chemcial reactions, but the body over compsensates and produces too
much acid as happens with many protein loads. You get hyperacidity in the
long run.
I will publish a book and sell it so I don't want to give out all the
details but it cures ulcers, cancer, bone calcium deficits and anything else
I can tie acid base reactions to.
I don't have any proof because of the main stream medical conspiracy.

Dr Tomato

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:mTy2e.11605$S46.4910@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Don't worry. If your kidneys are working well, you don;'t have to =
worry=20
> about the acidity of food. Your kidneys excrete more acid, as needed.

Not to mention breathing. Panting vs deep sighs. Regulates CO2 level.

T.

Alf Christophersen

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:22:51 -0800, "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>There are many, many references about acid base disorders in the literature.

Orthopathic acid/alkaline theory is not concerning pH of anything in
body, but is a representation of some kind of state of mind.

Robert

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:22:51 -0800, "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
literature.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Orthopathic acid/alkaline theory is not concerning pH of anything in
> body, but is a representation of some kind of state of mind.
>
Understood. How do they get from the state of mind to eating for pH?
Parasites often elude the host immunity by wrapping itself in host
substances and tissues as a way of hiding from within. They complain about
conventional medicine yet they use the language of conventional medicine to
hide behind.

ship

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"Orthopathic" medicine, huh? Interesting.

Well I'm happy to keep an open mind both ways.

However
a) What are we supposed to do? Eat raw meat and end up with zillions of
parasites?

b) With all due respect you appear to be somewhat biased.
All bodies of knowledge have their place.
And objectively speaking there are many diseases that
modern "allopathic" medicine has been very successful at
tackling. Most types of bacteria, small box, leprocy (sp?) etc

You only need to bear witness to primitive tribesmen in South America
on superb natural organic etc etc diets being wiped out by our
modern/Western diseases to see that our "allopathic" medicine
has at least SOME benefits.

Ship

ship

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Okay well, never mind full-blown scientific "proof"
(you may not be able to afford to run the medical trials)
but do you have any hard evidence that what you say is correct
or is it just theory.

Ship

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Tim Campbell

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Ship,

Check out "AlkalinizeForHealth" over on yahoogroups "dot" com.
Its an excellent, helpful resource on maintaining a healthful pH
balance...

Tim Campbell

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

randall wrote:
> Hi Ship,
>
> Why don't you buy THE book and do some macrobiotic dieting and let us
> know how you do with it?

I ate according to Macrobiotics for 7 years and though there was alot
about it I liked I never was satisfied with the explanations we
received from the macro teachers concerning why the "macro" way of
eating seems to inevitably produce significant cravings. Now that I am
eating a balanced, plant based diet I experience no cravings.

randall

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Robert wrote:
> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
> news:1112297804.151435.155510@g14g2000cwa.
> pH?
No. The nutritional value of the raw food has been destroyed.

> I like my proven theory better
You must mean your unproven theory. Actually, your theory has been
disproven by tens of thousands of orthopathic MDs in their daily
practice of medicine. I will accept the factual opinions of tens of
thousands of experienced MDs over the opinion of one lone person trying
to find his way out of the morass of medical confusion.

and that is if you eat an alkaline food the
> stomach acid must be produced in order to balance the acid.

Sorry, you are wrong. The orthopaths proved that in the healthy
stomach the stomach will go alkaline in order to digest the carbs and,
then, after up to two hours go acidic to stop the carb digestion in
order to be able to digest the protein load.

Classic Acid
> base chemcial reactions,
Acid base reactions may be classic but do not apply to enzyme chemistry
and the chemistry of digestion.

but the body over compsensates and produces too
> much acid as happens with many protein loads. You get hyperacidity in
the
> long run.

Excess protein load will also cause the disease of proteiosis,
poisoning due to excess protein in the stomach. The symptoms are the
same as food poisoning, which it is, and the results are the same,
including up to death.

> I will publish a book

I suggest you get all your facts straight first.

DrC PhD

Robert

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
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>
> Robert wrote:
> No. The nutritional value of the raw food has been destroyed.
>
> You must mean your unproven theory. Actually, your theory has been
> disproven by tens of thousands of orthopathic MDs in their daily
> practice of medicine. I will accept the factual opinions of tens of
> thousands of experienced MDs over the opinion of one lone person trying
> to find his way out of the morass of medical confusion.

The medical establishment is bought by the pharm companies and they don't
want you to hear my theories.

>
> and that is if you eat an alkaline food the
>
> Sorry, you are wrong. The orthopaths proved that in the healthy
> stomach the stomach will go alkaline in order to digest the carbs and,
> then, after up to two hours go acidic to stop the carb digestion in
> order to be able to digest the protein load.

All the orthopaths are trying to keep you from hearing the truth. They have
an economic interest in keeping you in the dark about the truth. There are
millions of dollars out there they bring in by seeing people daily and they
are not really interested in curing people but only treating them. They use
suboptimal amounts in their medicines that will take years and money.
>
> Classic Acid
> Acid base reactions may be classic but do not apply to enzyme chemistry
> and the chemistry of digestion.

I beg your pardon? Digestion with acid is not biochemical in nature?
Lewis Brunsted acid base theory is very real. Look it up in every chemistry
book known. You don't need stomach acid then only enzymes? Without acid you
don't get absorption of essential vitamins and minerals. Try reading more.
Better yet I will simplify it in my next chapter and book. The ABC's of
diet. The Acid Base, and I am still working on C, way of eating.
>
> but the body over compsensates and produces too
> the
>
> Excess protein load will also cause the disease of proteiosis,
> poisoning due to excess protein in the stomach. The symptoms are the
> same as food poisoning, which it is, and the results are the same,
> including up to death.
I know that. Everyone knows that and I will include that in one of my
chapters entitled Proteosis,"The Elephant Mans" disease.

>
>
> I suggest you get all your facts straight first.
>
> DrC PhD
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

This is supported by the Diamonds in their food combining research studies.

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1112376446.815943.113830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Robert wrote:
> No. The nutritional value of the raw food has been destroyed.
>
> You must mean your unproven theory. Actually, your theory has been
> disproven by tens of thousands of orthopathic MDs in their daily
> practice of medicine. I will accept the factual opinions of tens of
> thousands of experienced MDs over the opinion of one lone person trying
> to find his way out of the morass of medical confusion.
>
> and that is if you eat an alkaline food the
>
> Sorry, you are wrong. The orthopaths proved that in the healthy
> stomach the stomach will go alkaline in order to digest the carbs and,
> then, after up to two hours go acidic to stop the carb digestion in
> order to be able to digest the protein load.
>
> Classic Acid
> Acid base reactions may be classic but do not apply to enzyme chemistry
> and the chemistry of digestion.
>
> but the body over compsensates and produces too
> the
>
> Excess protein load will also cause the disease of proteiosis,
> poisoning due to excess protein in the stomach. The symptoms are the
> same as food poisoning, which it is, and the results are the same,
> including up to death.
>
>
> I suggest you get all your facts straight first.
>
> DrC PhD
>

NWCurandero

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Theoretically the body does a good job of maintaining the correct
acid/alkaline balance. I have found, as many of you have also found,
that this is just theory. I have noticed that if I keep my urine above
a pH of 7.0, that I feel much better-I have more energy and less
joint pain. I have discovered that this is difficult, but not
impossible, to accomplish with diet alone. One of my favorite ways to
stay alkaline is to add one-half teaspoon of baking soda to one-half
can of frozen grapefruit concentrate that has been mixed with the
appropriate amount of water and drink the mixture between meals. The
sodium bicarbonate provides an obvious alkaline substance and the
grapefruit juice alkalizes as it is metabolized in the body providing
potassium to counterbalance the sodium in the process. Grapefruit
juice interferes with the metabolism in the liver of some prescription
drugs. If you are one of these people, do not use this formula.
I sometimes use a mixture of sodium bicarbonate and potassium
bicarbonate to accomplish the same thing.
In addition, I have also discovered that supplementing my diet with
glutamine on an empty stomach helps to rebuild my alkaline reserves.
The usual daily dosage for this is six to nine grams per day. Some
people (usually diabetics) should only use glutamine under the guidance
of a knowledgeable health care professional. Usually additional
taurine is given in this case. It is important to do your research in
this area if you have a chronic health condition. The glutamine does
make a big difference in how I feel.

Reference:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html

Jeff

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"NWCurandero" <NWCurandero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112396151.983992.92410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Theoretically the body does a good job of maintaining the correct
> acid/alkaline balance. I have found, as many of you have also found,
> that this is just theory.

Actually, studies show that the normal blood pH of 7.4 (give or take 0.04)
is maintained by the healthy body.

> I have noticed that if I keep my urine above
> a pH of 7.0, that I feel much better-I have more energy and less
> joint pain.

Sounds like classic placebo effect.

(...)

> Reference:
>
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html

A magazine maintained by the nutritional supplement industry. And not
peer-reviewed. The reference is nearly useless.

Jeff

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

ship wrote:
> "Orthopathic" medicine, huh? Interesting.
>
> Well I'm happy to keep an open mind both ways.
>
> However
> a) What are we supposed to do? Eat raw meat and end up with zillions
of
> parasites?

Eat meat sparingly as a protein meal after it has been cooked enough to
kill the parasites. Very little nutrition will be gained but your
stomach will be full for up to 8 hrs trying to digest it.
>
> b) With all due respect you appear to be somewhat biased.

Unfortunately, you are correct. You cannot sit on the fence and
accomplish anything. One must be on onw side or the other of a
discussion. It was after over 11 years of collegate education that I
realized that most of what I had been taught in medicine was bogus. I
think I have the right to be pissed at all the lies I was fed and time
that was wasted being taught those lies.

> All bodies of knowledge have their place.
And some are at be avoided.
> And objectively speaking there are many diseases that
> modern "allopathic" medicine has been very successful at
> tackling.
Have they a cure for heart disease,cancer,arthritis, diabetes,
etc.,etc. No, only expense and worthless treatments.

Most types of bacteria, small box, leprocy (sp?) etc

Wrong. The germ theory of disease is bogus. Illness in a human is
dis-ease, the body is not at ease. Bacteria, viruses, prions, etc.,
etc., do not exist to cause disease.
That is why you can recover from an illness. If some bogus entity
could really invade you and make you sick, you would die each and every
time just as you will with gangrene unless some drastic measures are
taken.
>
> You only need to bear witness to primitive tribesmen in South America
> on superb natural organic etc etc diets being wiped out by our
> modern/Western diseases to see that our "allopathic" medicine
> has at least SOME benefits.

Sorry, no can do. Antibiotics for some uses are about the only benefit
known. Those primitive tribesmen are barely eaking out an existence.
They are all malnurished to a greater or lesser extent. It is easy to
sicken a human with malnutrition, overcrowding, stress, poor
sanitation, poor water, and no hygiene. The great plagues stand
testimony to what can happen to humans who fall prey to the above
problems.
>
> Ship

DrC PhD

Pizza Girl

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Why do people die or get disease when injected with vaccines then?

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1112408025.408367.8770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> ship wrote:
> of
>
> Eat meat sparingly as a protein meal after it has been cooked enough to
> kill the parasites. Very little nutrition will be gained but your
> stomach will be full for up to 8 hrs trying to digest it.
>
> Unfortunately, you are correct. You cannot sit on the fence and
> accomplish anything. One must be on onw side or the other of a
> discussion. It was after over 11 years of collegate education that I
> realized that most of what I had been taught in medicine was bogus. I
> think I have the right to be pissed at all the lies I was fed and time
> that was wasted being taught those lies.
>
> And some are at be avoided.
> Have they a cure for heart disease,cancer,arthritis, diabetes,
> etc.,etc. No, only expense and worthless treatments.
>
> Most types of bacteria, small box, leprocy (sp?) etc
>
> Wrong. The germ theory of disease is bogus. Illness in a human is
> dis-ease, the body is not at ease. Bacteria, viruses, prions, etc.,
> etc., do not exist to cause disease.
> That is why you can recover from an illness. If some bogus entity
> could really invade you and make you sick, you would die each and every
> time just as you will with gangrene unless some drastic measures are
> taken.
>
> Sorry, no can do. Antibiotics for some uses are about the only benefit
> known. Those primitive tribesmen are barely eaking out an existence.
> They are all malnurished to a greater or lesser extent. It is easy to
> sicken a human with malnutrition, overcrowding, stress, poor
> sanitation, poor water, and no hygiene. The great plagues stand
> testimony to what can happen to humans who fall prey to the above
> problems.
>
> DrC PhD
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

So are you useless Jeff. You have no logic abilities and only brainwashing.

You're just a troll here.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v5l3e.12779$S46.12000@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "NWCurandero" <NWCurandero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1112396151.983992.92410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Actually, studies show that the normal blood pH of 7.4 (give or take 0.04)
> is maintained by the healthy body.
>
>
> Sounds like classic placebo effect.
>
> (...)
>
>
> A magazine maintained by the nutritional supplement industry. And not
> peer-reviewed. The reference is nearly useless.
>
> Jeff
>
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

I was prescribed by a N.D., sodium and potasium bicarbs but the timing was
important. I was told 10 am and 4 pm were in tune with my body bi-carb
cycles. It worked wonderfully to get rid of my aches / pains / heartburn /
reflux / esophagial spasms / tendonitus / bursitus and stiffness in the
mornings. It took about 2 .1/2 months to give me loose joints like I never
have before. The aches and pains only take about 1 week to disappear.

Where do you get potasium bicarbonate form?

"NWCurandero" <NWCurandero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112396151.983992.92410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Theoretically the body does a good job of maintaining the correct
> acid/alkaline balance. I have found, as many of you have also found,
> that this is just theory. I have noticed that if I keep my urine above
> a pH of 7.0, that I feel much better-I have more energy and less
> joint pain. I have discovered that this is difficult, but not
> impossible, to accomplish with diet alone. One of my favorite ways to
> stay alkaline is to add one-half teaspoon of baking soda to one-half
> can of frozen grapefruit concentrate that has been mixed with the
> appropriate amount of water and drink the mixture between meals. The
> sodium bicarbonate provides an obvious alkaline substance and the
> grapefruit juice alkalizes as it is metabolized in the body providing
> potassium to counterbalance the sodium in the process. Grapefruit
> juice interferes with the metabolism in the liver of some prescription
> drugs. If you are one of these people, do not use this formula.
> I sometimes use a mixture of sodium bicarbonate and potassium
> bicarbonate to accomplish the same thing.
> In addition, I have also discovered that supplementing my diet with
> glutamine on an empty stomach helps to rebuild my alkaline reserves.
> The usual daily dosage for this is six to nine grams per day. Some
> people (usually diabetics) should only use glutamine under the guidance
> of a knowledgeable health care professional. Usually additional
> taurine is given in this case. It is important to do your research in
> this area if you have a chronic health condition. The glutamine does
> make a big difference in how I feel.
>
> Reference:
>
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html
>

Jeff

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1112416804.14f5c3e483611de4b421fa14e20c38af@teranews...
> So are you useless Jeff. You have no logic abilities and only
> brainwashing.
>
> You're just a troll here.

Perhaps you can provide evidence that I am incorrect, like from
peer-reviewed journals.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:v5l3e.12779$S46.12000@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

Pizza Girl wrote:
> Why do people die or get disease when injected with vaccines then?
>
> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message

The Greek word for medicines is pharmakia from which we get the word
pharmceuticals, etc. This word can also be translated as poisons.
Since all medicines are poisons and many poisons are used as medicines,
what modern man is really doing is trying to poison the sick into
getting well. A great example today is botulism toxin, one of the
world's deadliest poisons. Today the blood poisoners are using it as
medicine and we even have botox parties.

The false concept of immunization has been around for thousands of
years. It does not work.
A primary source for vaccines is the refined residue of rotten eggs.
Polio vaccine is produced from the pus of diseased monkey kidneys. To
this refined filth we may add aluminum, mercury,etc. to further
heighten its toxicity.
Is it any wonder that humans sicken and die when this concoction is
injected directly into the body to bypass many of the systems which
would detoxify the poison and flush it from the body?

There is no such thing as disease.
There is only dis-ease, the body is not at ease. Your so called
diseases are the healing efforts of a toxic body suffering dis-ease.

DrC PhD

Robert

2005-04-02, 4:24 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1112462580.364954.111070@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Pizza Girl wrote:
>
> The Greek word for medicines is pharmakia from which we get the word
> pharmceuticals, etc. This word can also be translated as poisons.
> Since all medicines are poisons and many poisons are used as medicines,
> what modern man is really doing is trying to poison the sick into
> getting well. A great example today is botulism toxin, one of the
> world's deadliest poisons. Today the blood poisoners are using it as
> medicine and we even have botox parties.
>
> The false concept of immunization has been around for thousands of
> years. It does not work.
> A primary source for vaccines is the refined residue of rotten eggs.
> Polio vaccine is produced from the pus of diseased monkey kidneys. To
> this refined filth we may add aluminum, mercury,etc. to further
> heighten its toxicity.
> Is it any wonder that humans sicken and die when this concoction is
> injected directly into the body to bypass many of the systems which
> would detoxify the poison and flush it from the body?
>
> There is no such thing as disease.
> There is only dis-ease, the body is not at ease. Your so called
> diseases are the healing efforts of a toxic body suffering dis-ease.
>
> DrC PhD

Very well said. I think we all know exactly where your bizarre beliefs
stand.
>

NWCurandero

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

You can get potassium bicarbonate at Post Apple Scientific. Get the
USP grade. The URL is:

http://shop2.chemassociates.com/cgi...e40112740ae4fc2

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Perhaps you can provide evidence that I am should provide peer reviewed
eveidence, like from
peer-reviewed journals.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
> news:1112416804.14f5c3e483611de4b421fa14e20c38af@teranews...
>
> Perhaps you can provide evidence that I am incorrect, like from
> peer-reviewed journals.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

People use this for cooking also. Is there a very common source for this?
Cooking supplies somehwere?

Thanx

"NWCurandero" <NWCurandero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You can get potassium bicarbonate at Post Apple Scientific. Get the
> USP grade. The URL is:
>
>
http://shop2.chemassociates.com/cgi...e40112740ae4fc2
>

NWCurandero

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

This is the only source I've been able to find where USP grade
potassium bicarbonate is consistently available.

Harvey R. Stone

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

> There is no such thing as disease.
> There is only dis-ease, the body is not at ease. Your so called
> diseases are the healing efforts of a toxic body suffering dis-ease.
>
> DrC PhD
>

I have no doubt that you believe what you say. I am going to say that I
think you are full of it and will stay with modern medicine to take care of
my problems.
Harv

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

That is modern medicine. You are following the old version of it.

"Harvey R. Stone" <none@nobody.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> I have no doubt that you believe what you say. I am going to say that
I
> think you are full of it and will stay with modern medicine to take care
of
> my problems.
> Harv
>
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

I hear people using it in gluten free bread recipes but nobody can tell me
where they got it so far...LOL

Thanx again
"NWCurandero" <NWCurandero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is the only source I've been able to find where USP grade
> potassium bicarbonate is consistently available.
>

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

George Lagergren

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
> Sorry, no can do. Antibiotics for some uses are about the only benefit
> known. Those primitive tribesmen are barely eaking out an existence.
> They are all malnurished to a greater or lesser extent. It is easy to
> sicken a human with malnutrition, overcrowding, stress, poor
> sanitation, poor water, and no hygiene. The great plagues stand
> testimony to what can happen to humans who fall prey to the above
> problems.

Why did the Black Plague in Europe in the 1300s kill only 1/3
of the population?
Why did 2/3 of the people survived?

George Lagergren

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Harvey R. Stone" <none@nobody.net> wrote:
[In ref to Dr. C]
> I have no doubt that you believe what you say. I am going to say that
I
> think you are full of it and will stay with modern medicine to take care
of
> my problems.

Ditto. I will stay with modern "diet medicine" science and
modern "nutritional medicine" science to take care of my problems.
Personally, I will skip modern "pharm drug medicine" science unless really
needed.

George Lagergren

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
> Sorry, you are wrong. The orthopaths proved that in the healthy
> stomach the stomach will go alkaline in order to digest the carbs and,
> then, after up to two hours go acidic to stop the carb digestion in
> order to be able to digest the protein load.

Is this the reason why carbs & protein should not be eaten
together?

> Excess protein load will also cause the disease of proteiosis,
> poisoning due to excess protein in the stomach. The symptoms are the
> same as food poisoning, which it is, and the results are the same,
> including up to death.

Question: Will taking supplemental protein digestive enzymes
digest the excess protein load?

George Lagergren

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
> discussion. It was after over 11 years of collegate education that I
> realized that most of what I had been taught in medicine was bogus. I
> think I have the right to be pissed at all the lies I was fed and time
> that was wasted being taught those lies.

What kinds of medical teachings did those 11 years encompass?

Jeff

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1112488745.65b39c5f205400f6c9c43c0fd6335be3@teranews...
> Perhaps you can provide evidence that I am should provide peer reviewed
> eveidence, like from
> peer-reviewed journals.

Nice comeback. In the future, you should use a grammer checker. I am not
sure what you meant.

Also, please learn to put your comments *in-line*, so we can follow the
conversation better.

Thanks.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%ox3e.2242$44.262@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>

drceephd2@netscape.com

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

George Lagergren wrote:
> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
and,[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Is this the reason why carbs & protein should not be
eaten
> together?
The key is that C O N C E N T R A T E D carbs and protein should not
be eaten together.
All living foods contain some carbs/protein/fat. The difference is
that some are high in carbs while others are high in protein and others
are high in fat.

While it is not recongized today, I can show you current scientific
literature which corroberates my position.
A healthy stomach in a mineral sufficient human will go alkaline in
order to digest any carbs in the food. The main amaylase in our saliva
is active only in an alkaline pH and is not able to be reactivated
after once being acidified.
Once the carbs are broken down, the stomach will secrete HCL and the
pre-enzyme for pepsin. The pre-enzyme plus HCL forms pepsin and
protein digestion ensues whereby the protein will be broken down to
dipeptides, peptones, etc. but not the individual amino acids.
Human food is supposed to contain very little fat, so very little
lipase is secreted in the stomach. This means that fat is not very
well digested or tolerated in the stomach.

Failure to recognize these facts and living in a manner which will
cause these problems, will lead to indigestion, heartburn, hiatal
hernias, gastritis, ulcers, and finally even stomach cancer.

>
the[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Question: Will taking supplemental protein digestive
enzymes
> digest the excess protein load?

I have a typo here. The disease is proteinosis. I nearly lost a
daughter to this disorder. Fortunately, she vomited the rotting
protein mass before it was able to kill her. Just as fortunate, I had a
bag in the car for her to vomit into when I picked her up from her
work.

The use of digestive enzymes, if from plant sources, will aid
digestion. It may not be able to digest all the excess protein load.

DrC PhD

George Lagergren

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
> A healthy stomach in a mineral sufficient human will go alkaline in
> order to digest any carbs in the food. The main amaylase in our saliva
> is active only in an alkaline pH and is not able to be reactivated
> after once being acidified.

I notice you say "in a mineral sufficient human."
Is that a big diet/food problem these days? Folks are not
getting enough minerals from their diet?

> Failure to recognize these facts and living in a manner which will
> cause these problems, will lead to indigestion, heartburn, hiatal
> hernias, gastritis, ulcers, and finally even stomach cancer.

I guess that fact from the TV ads touting OTC heartburn problem
for a so-called heart-burn problem which just makes matters worse.

> The use of digestive enzymes, if from plant sources, will aid
> digestion. It may not be able to digest all the excess protein load.

Thanks for the info.

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Must have been the secret vaccines developed in the 1300's.

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> Why did the Black Plague in Europe in the 1300s kill only 1/3
> of the population?
> Why did 2/3 of the people survived?
>
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

My post was at the top where it belongs. I attached previous post at the
bottom like most intelligent, polite people do.

Find a better whinge.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
> news:1112488745.65b39c5f205400f6c9c43c0fd6335be3@teranews...
>
> Nice comeback. In the future, you should use a grammer checker. I am not
> sure what you meant.
>
> Also, please learn to put your comments *in-line*, so we can follow the
> conversation better.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
not[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Many sources report deficiencies in soil magnesium and other mineral content
for the human diet.

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:_V04e.3507$44.303@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> I notice you say "in a mineral sufficient human."
> Is that a big diet/food problem these days? Folks are not
> getting enough minerals from their diet?
>
>
> I guess that fact from the TV ads touting OTC heartburn problem
> for a so-called heart-burn problem which just makes matters worse.
>
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
>

Jeff

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
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> My post was at the top where it belongs. I attached previous post at the
> bottom like most intelligent, polite people do.

Try again: http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting

> Find a better whinge.

Whinge is a verb, not a noun.

I am not whining. Just trying to make it easier for others.

Jeff

(...)

Jeff

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> Why did the Black Plague in Europe in the 1300s kill only 1/3
> of the population?
> Why did 2/3 of the people survived?

There are very few infectious diseases that kill everyone infected. Even
serious illnesses like pneumonia are not deadly to everyone who gets it.

Jeff

David Wright

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

In article <frY3e.3197$44.1434@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
George Lagergren <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Harvey R. Stone" <none@nobody.net> wrote:
> [In ref to Dr. C]
>I
>of
>
> Ditto. I will stay with modern "diet medicine" science and
>modern "nutritional medicine" science to take care of my problems.
>Personally, I will skip modern "pharm drug medicine" science unless really
>needed.

That's a silly statement, since it just says "I won't go unless I need
to." All that proves is that you're not a hypochondriac.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

Happy Dog

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message

> Must have been the secret vaccines developed in the 1300's.

Sad thing is, you probably believe it.

moo

>
> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:8kY3e.11493$z.2537@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>

David Wright

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

In article <Te24e.13890$S46.4603@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:8kY3e.11493$z.2537@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>There are very few infectious diseases that kill everyone infected. Even
>serious illnesses like pneumonia are not deadly to everyone who gets it.

Even ebola, though that can run 70-90% fatalities in some variants.

The only infectious disease I can think of offhand that's just about
100% fatal (over the short term) is rabies. I've only heard of a
couple of cases where it wasn't fatal. (Rabies is quite rare in
humans in the US, and most people who are exposed get the vaccine, so
that keeps fatalities to a tiny number, but in places like South Asia,
it's much more common and kills lots of people.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

Robert

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
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> Many sources report deficiencies in soil magnesium and other mineral
content
> for the human diet.

Is that why you eat imported soil instead?

>
> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:_V04e.3507$44.303@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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Robert

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> Why did the Black Plague in Europe in the 1300s kill only 1/3
> of the population?
> Why did 2/3 of the people survived?
>
>
Do you have HIV? I guess if you don't have HIV and that means you are immune
to it right or survived it?

Robert

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
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> Must have been the secret vaccines developed in the 1300's.
>
No, I think it was people who eat according to their blood type.

> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:8kY3e.11493$z.2537@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
benefit[vbcol=seagreen]
1/3[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>

Robert

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
>
>
> Sad thing is, you probably believe it.
>
> moo

It is hard to know which one of the many weird things she does believe in.
Maybe it was the milk that caused it.

>
>
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Robert

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Te24e.13890$S46.4603@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
benefit[vbcol=seagreen]
1/3[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Even ebola, though that can run 70-90% fatalities in some variants.
>
> The only infectious disease I can think of offhand that's just about
> 100% fatal (over the short term) is rabies. I've only heard of a
> couple of cases where it wasn't fatal. (Rabies is quite rare in
> humans in the US, and most people who are exposed get the vaccine, so
> that keeps fatalities to a tiny number, but in places like South Asia,
> it's much more common and kills lots of people.)

No treatment for people with symptoms of rabies and it is not quite 100%
fatal anymore. They put you into a coma to help the body build an immune
response. A 15 year old girl from Wisconsin was cured after she developed
symptoms. She was put on two antivirals drugs and two anwsthetics so she
would stay in a coma for one week. She is recovering now. She was bitten by
an infected bat and developed rabies one month later without the vaccine
being given earlier.

>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
> meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
> that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

Robert

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:_fY3e.13752$S46.11003@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> <drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> What kinds of medical teachings did those 11 years encompass?
>
>
>
Off the internet. It is possible to get an MD from reading and getting an
education on this NG and others. Readers here on average know much more than
any doctor. Just one example. Doctors don't know that you can glue your
lungs and eat something to unglue them or digest them properly.

NWCurandero

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

This is the only source I've been able to find where USP grade
potassium bicarbonate is consistently available.

Dr Tomato

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

So you are saying it wasn't cure by a vaccine in thr 1300s?

I wonder wher it went to with vaccines? Maybe measles and flu and many other
things like polio just faded out too? Nah..my mommy told me otherwise and
she sold the vaccines for a profit too so I believe her.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:8kY3e.11493$z.2537@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
1/3[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> There are very few infectious diseases that kill everyone infected. Even
> serious illnesses like pneumonia are not deadly to everyone who gets it.
>
> Jeff
>
>

Jeff

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
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> So you are saying it wasn't cure by a vaccine in thr 1300s?

Please put your comments in-line, so the thread is easier to follow.

Vaccines didn't come out until the 1700's or so when Jenner popularized the
smallpox vaccine.

> I wonder wher it went to with vaccines?

What? I don't know what you mean. I guess you need a grammer checker.

> Maybe measles and flu and many other
> things like polio just faded out too?

No. The surviving people probably had immunity to the plague (see below --
the poster was too lazy to put the comments in line making them harder to
follow), just like Europeans developed partial immunity to measles, without
a vaccine.

Flu is still with us. However, the evidence that measles vaccination has
removed measles and polio from the US is overwhelming. (The vaccine made the
partial immunity that most people had to measles much more effective.)

> Nah..my mommy told me otherwise and
> she sold the vaccines for a profit too so I believe her.

I am sorry, I don't understand your point. I see nothing wrong with selling
things for a profit. Ford sells cars for a profit. I don't see a problem
with that.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Te24e.13890$S46.4603@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> 1/3
>
>

Joel M. Eichen

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Hi Pizza girl,

They would have had vaccines in the 1300s, but Jan Drew was complaining too
much about mercury on the internet back then.

Joel

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1112652903.c777125650e95dfde2bbb64412f491be@teranews...
> So you are saying it wasn't cure by a vaccine in thr 1300s?
>
> I wonder wher it went to with vaccines? Maybe measles and flu and many
other
> things like polio just faded out too? Nah..my mommy told me otherwise and
> she sold the vaccines for a profit too so I believe her.
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Te24e.13890$S46.4603@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
benefit[vbcol=seagreen]
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> 1/3
>
>

Joel M. Eichen

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
> news:1112652903.c777125650e95dfde2bbb64412f491be@teranews...
>
> Please put your comments in-line, so the thread is easier to follow.

R E P L Y

Are you implying that Pizza girl is outa-line?

Joely

>
> Vaccines didn't come out until the 1700's or so when Jenner popularized
the
> smallpox vaccine.
>
>
> What? I don't know what you mean. I guess you need a grammer checker.
>
>
> No. The surviving people probably had immunity to the plague (see below --
> the poster was too lazy to put the comments in line making them harder to
> follow), just like Europeans developed partial immunity to measles,
without
> a vaccine.
>
> Flu is still with us. However, the evidence that measles vaccination has
> removed measles and polio from the US is overwhelming. (The vaccine made
the
> partial immunity that most people had to measles much more effective.)
>
>
> I am sorry, I don't understand your point. I see nothing wrong with
selling
> things for a profit. Ford sells cars for a profit. I don't see a problem
> with that.
>
> Jeff
>
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Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Go suck on a mercury amalgam troll.

"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Pizza girl,
>
> They would have had vaccines in the 1300s, but Jan Drew was complaining
too
> much about mercury on the internet back then.
>
> Joel
>
>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
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Joel M. Eichen

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

When I saw what you wrote, I was wondering
if you were being cute or if you really have no idea
how recent our current knowledge is.

OK Pizza Boy?

Joel

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
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> Go suck on a mercury amalgam troll.
>
> "Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4251da40_1@x-privat.org...
> too
> and
> existence.
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> only
> Even
> it.
>
>

Joel M. Eichen

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

Just in case you are really weondering about ......

Re: What's the best source of info on Acid/Alkaline affects of food?

Normally, the body is perfectrly capable of buffering the

acidity/alkalinity of various foods, otherwise it would be curtains for us.

Joel

"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> When I saw what you wrote, I was wondering
> if you were being cute or if you really have no idea
> how recent our current knowledge is.
>
> OK Pizza Boy?
>
>
> Joel
>
>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
> news:1112661006.d8494ada787d4a9ab14b0f64a4c985c3@teranews...
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Pizza Girl

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

It is capable of bufferring acid/alkaline intake but like everything else in
this world there is a limit.

I haven't encountered JD for a long time here. You still obsessed with
it/her/him?

"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4251e3a1_1@x-privat.org...
> Just in case you are really weondering about ......
>
> Re: What's the best source of info on Acid/Alkaline affects of food?
>
>
>
> Normally, the body is perfectrly capable of buffering the
>
> acidity/alkalinity of various foods, otherwise it would be curtains for
us.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4251dfd0_3@x-privat.org...
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Jeff

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1112663912.f0b2b0aa94220e65af2bb2cba2a7fa7e@teranews...
> It is capable of bufferring acid/alkaline intake but like everything else
> in
> this world there is a limit.

Actually, the body excretes acid, which gets rid of the acid. The body keeps
an appropriate acid/base balance almost all the time in health with a
normal, unless there is kidney or other illness, like kidneys disease or
diabetes, which can cause an increase in acid (called a metabolic acidosis).

Jeff

> I haven't encountered JD for a long time here. You still obsessed with
> it/her/him?
>
> "Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4251e3a1_1@x-privat.org...
> us.
> only
> is
> kill
>
>

David Wright

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

In article <1112376446.815943.113830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:
>
>Robert wrote:
>No. The nutritional value of the raw food has been destroyed.
>
>You must mean your unproven theory. Actually, your theory has been
>disproven by tens of thousands of orthopathic MDs in their daily
>practice of medicine.

That must have been a century or so ago, since you tell us that the
last orthopatic medical school was closed in 1908. So, did they
also cure by adjusting the four humours?

> I will accept the factual opinions of tens of
>thousands of experienced MDs over the opinion of one lone person trying
>to find his way out of the morass of medical confusion.

Except you won't accept the factual opinions of thousands of *today's*
MDs. Only your sacred, ancient, long-deceased orthopaths.

>Sorry, you are wrong. The orthopaths proved that in the healthy
>stomach the stomach will go alkaline in order to digest the carbs and,
>then, after up to two hours go acidic to stop the carb digestion in
>order to be able to digest the protein load.

If the stomach goes alkaline, that should be easy to prove today.
It's not like pH is hard to measure. Yet I haven't found any
references to this phenomenon.

>Excess protein load will also cause the disease of proteiosis,
>poisoning due to excess protein in the stomach. The symptoms are the
>same as food poisoning, which it is, and the results are the same,
>including up to death.

That explains all those Atkins dieters littering the sidewalk.

>
>I suggest you get all your facts straight first.

That's hilarious coming from you, Chuck.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

David Wright

2005-04-05, 5:08 pm

In article <1112462580.364954.111070@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote:

>The false concept of immunization has been around for thousands of
>years. It does not work.

It works quite well. I'm still awaiting your explanation for what
happened to measles rates in the US after vaccination was introduced.

>Is it any wonder that humans sicken and die when this concoction is
>injected directly into the body to bypass many of the systems which
>would detoxify the poison and flush it from the body?

Is it any wonder that you're full of it again? If that were true,
everyone would "sicken and die" as soon as they received their
injections. But they don't.

>There is no such thing as disease.
>There is only dis-ease, the body is not at ease. Your so called
>diseases are the healing efforts of a toxic body suffering dis-ease.

There *is* such a thing as mental illness, and you're suffering from
it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, app