HIV Aids - I was right about Aids, says Mbeki

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I was right about Aids, says Mbeki

PaulKing

2005-04-24, 8:45 am

I was right about Aids, says Mbeki

_ _ April 21 2005 at 11:43AM

By Boyd Webb
Singapore - President Thabo Mbeki declared himself the victor in a
controversy over Aids in which he advocated healthy eating as the primary
means of combating HIV.
Responding to a question after addressing business leaders in Singapore on
Thursday, Mbeki said experts at a World Health Organisation conference in
South Africa last week agreed with him that nutrition was a very important
aspect of the matter.
He said that it was "not merely the availability of taking a pill and that
was the end of the story" but that effective Aids contravention required a
healthy body, an effective health care system and efficient dispensing
mechanisms.

"Quite why it became controversial I don't know, to me it was pretty
simple," Mbeki said.
"That is what caused the controversy but I think now that people have
understood."
The answer was well received by many members of the audience, who later
said it had explained Mbeki's thinking on the matter, which attracted
international attention in 2000. - Sapa

www.iol.co.za

GMCarter

2005-04-24, 8:45 am

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:34:55 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

>I was right about Aids, says Mbeki

But he is no longer denying that HIV causes AIDS, it would seem.

Yes, indeed, nutrition is an extremely important facet of HIV/AIDS
care. So is antiretroviral therapy--which he appears to recognize.

George M. Carter

tsip29

2005-04-24, 5:45 pm

Mbeki is not openly saying it anymore! but does it mean now that he say
hiv is the cause of aids!

no i dont think so!

Alex

2005-04-24, 5:45 pm

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> schreef in bericht
news:appm61d3l9jsn9rsfjsdu3j9vuofkipe7o@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:34:55 -0400, "PaulKing"
> <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> But he is no longer denying that HIV causes AIDS, it would seem.

The same straw man argument it always was.

TAC and all the other apologists won't debate the real issues,
so they simply claim that Thabo Mbeki has some "crazy"
stance on wether HIV causes AIDS.

This deception has gone on long enough.

The real issues are:

1) Why does the "HIV epidemic" in Africa look so different
than it does in Europe, the USA and Australia?
2) How reliable are these screening and confirmation tests
in Africa, as opposed to Europe, the USA, etc?
3) Why is there still no cure or vaccin, even after
over 20 years of studying this 9 gene virus?
4) Why, if Africa is in the grip of a "devastating"
(to use the marketeering power word) epidemic,
does Africa have the highest population growth
in the world, with many countries routinely increasing
their population over 3% per year?
5) Why does the WHO/UNAIDS still cling on to
using Antenatal Clinic studies (ANCs), when they know
that these are highly unreliable and statistically unrepresentative?
And when the alternative (proper) survey form, the
DHS or population survey routinely shows much lower
nationwide HIV infection levels?

Yeah, of course it is all about "whether Thabo Mbeki
believes HIV causes AIDS".

Alex

PaulKing

2005-04-25, 8:45 am

Great post Alex.

Very well put.

How can anyone thake this definition of 'AIDS' seriously?

The Bangui Definition

In 1985, the World Health Organization called a meeting in Bangui, the
capital of the Central African Republic, to define African AIDS. The
meeting was presided over by CDC official Joseph McCormick. He wrote
about it in his book "Level 4 Virus Hunters of the CDC," saying, "If I
could get everyone at the WHO meeting in Bangui to agree on a single,
simple definition of what an AIDS case was in Africa, then, imperfect as
the
definition might be, we could actually start counting the cases..." The
result was that African AIDS would be defined by physical symptoms:
fever, diarrhea, weight loss and coughing or itching. ("AIDS in Africa:
an

epidemiological paradigm." Science, 1986).

In Sub-Saharan Africa, about 60 percent of the population lives and
dies without safe drinking water, adequate food or basic sanitation. A
September, 2003 report in the Ugandan Daily "New Vision" outlined the
situation in Kampala, a city of approximately 1.3 million inhabitants,
which, like most tropical countries, experiences seasonal flooding. The
report describes "heaps of unclaimed garbage" among the crowded houses in

the flood zones and "countless pools of water [that] provide a breeding
ground for mosquitoes and create a dirty environment that favors
cholera."

"Latrines are built above water streams. During rains the area
residents usually open a hole to release feces from the latrines. The
rain
then
washes away the feces to streams, from where the [area residents] fetch
water. However, not many people have access to toilet facilities. Some
defecate in polythene bags, which they throw into the stream." They
call these, "flying toilets."

The state-run Ugandan National Water and Sewerage Corporation states
that currently 55 percent of Kampala is provided with treated water, and
only 8 percent with sewage reclamation.

Most rural villages are without any sanitary water source. People wash
clothes, bathe and dump untreated waste up and down stream from where
water is drawn. Watering holes are shared with animal populations, which
drink, bathe, urinate and defecate at the water source. Unmanaged human
waste pollutes water with infectious and often deadly bacteria.
Stagnant water breeds mosquitoes, which bring malaria. Infectious
diarrhea,
dysentery, cholera, TB, malaria and famine are the top killer in Africa.
But in 1985, these conditions defined AIDS.

GMCarter

2005-04-27, 8:45 am