| Chris Noble 2005-10-24, 12:56 am |
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Fondoo wrote:
> From what I gather here http://www.duesberg.com/articles/ept4cells.html
> is he supports the theory that cell death is the result of the oxidizing
> agents the cultures are exposed to and not to the HIV that is also
> present
> Again thank you for the input Chris
That is a Perth Group article.
The paper I gave used two different controls with plasmids containing
non-cytopathic HTLV-I DNA and no retroviral DNA respectivley. These
controls were treated exactly the same as the sample containing HIV
DNA. All were activated with PHA. Only activated T-cells support
retroviral production. The Perth Group's definition of an oxidising
agent also seems nebulous. They have been asked to define what exactly
they mean but (at least in my opinion) have not dones so.
So the Perth Group's arguments about PHA and lack of proper controls
does not apply to this paper. I think that the Perth Group would
instead chose to question whether the DNA was really HIV DNA. They
would fall back to their basic argument that HIV has not been properly
isolated. This is despite the fact that Duesberg cites this paper for
the evidence that HIV has been isolated. The Perth Group are not
willing to listen to Duesberg a fellow dissident. I still maintain that
if they had integrity they would be able to settle this difference with
Duesberg. If they are all scientists that are governed by the data then
they should be able to convince each other. I would argue that one or
both of them are ruled by their egos rather than rationality.
Chris Noble
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