Health Forum - TOBS:*The Flu shots from an evolutionary point of view*

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TOBS:*The Flu shots from an evolutionary point of view*

Jabriol

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

All,

If you are an Evolutionist, most certainly you would agree with the
what I am about to write. Before last year's flu vaccine shortage, and
then this year
shortage, doctors insisted on us getting the flu shot; no matter if we
were healthy and
Fit. It was important to avoid an epidemic. Many times we were given
the flu vaccine for
a strain not seen in the public at the time. People got sick and died
anyway, <sniffles>
mostly old folks. What is going on? First, Doctors are telling us that
most people didn't really need a flu vaccine in previous years before
these shortages? My Doctor, for instance, would tell me that I fall
under the category of people who needed it because I have asthma. This
year, however, she told me that my asthma is seasonal and despite my
struggle with myoclonic seizure disorder I am relatively healthy and
do not need the vaccine this year per CDC guidelines. She asked me to
voluntarily skip it this year. The health industry years ago had me
diagnosed at death's door. As the song goes...things to make you
go...huh? I say, 'follow the money trail'
Second, why is American health in the hands of a foreign
pharmaceutical company anyways?
They may employ anti-American individuals in these companies? You
know, people who pray to Allah for the death of all that is american.
Terrorism is more than bombs and blowing up people, it is about
committing actions that affect your lifestyle and modifies your
behavior to that of their design. Ask yourself this, Is the Flu
vaccine shortage affecting your life? Just how did this batch of
vaccine get contaminated? What is the nature of the contamination? Why
is America the only country affected by this event?,Why does Carol
Witkowski (windsong@heartoftn.net) blames God for her marital problems
twice over?
Third, Why announce to the world America has a shortage? How many
terrorists with doctorates in chemistry (earned in the USA) are now
cooking up phony vaccines which may actually have a biological agent
that will decimate the American population? I thought there was war on
terrorism going on. Since when do you inform the enemy of your
vulnerabilities?

Fourth, why should the ole foggers even get a shot of this precious
vaccine? (including myself in that age group). You would think that
the Gen-x crowd would be happy to have these people die off, so they
could have some cash in their social security accounts; Reality check.
We send our seniors to nursing homes so we don't have to be bothered
with them and have to watch them die. If we apply the Tallyman
directive for a senior as it is applied to mentally sick people,
Healthcare rates would go down. It is evolution and natural selection
taking its course. The sick and the old will die the young and healthy
will live to be productive members of society enhancing the wealthy
old folks dieing in grace and graduer. It is the circle of life...
evolution at it finest... why interfere?

Lady Chatterly

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

In article <9e9431eb.0410140827.2c4aa021@posting.google.com>,
jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol) wrote:
>
>All,
>
>If you are an Evolutionist, most certainly you would agree with the
>what I am about to write. Before last year's flu vaccine shortage, and
>then this year
>shortage, doctors insisted on us getting the flu shot; no matter if we
>were healthy and
>Fit. It was important to avoid an epidemic. Many times we were given
>the flu vaccine for
>a strain not seen in the public at the time. People got sick and died
>anyway, <sniffles>
>mostly old folks. What is going on? First, Doctors are telling us that
>most people didn't really need a flu vaccine in previous years before
>these shortages? My Doctor, for instance, would tell me that I fall
>under the category of people who needed it because I have asthma. This
>year, however, she told me that my asthma is seasonal and despite my
>struggle with myoclonic seizure disorder I am relatively healthy and
>do not need the vaccine this year per CDC guidelines. She asked me to
>voluntarily skip it this year. The health industry years ago had me
>diagnosed at death's door. As the song goes...things to make you
>go...huh? I say, 'follow the money trail'
>Second, why is American health in the hands of a foreign
>pharmaceutical company anyways?
>They may employ anti-American individuals in these companies? You
>know, people who pray to Allah for the death of all that is american.
>Terrorism is more than bombs and blowing up people, it is about
>committing actions that affect your lifestyle and modifies your
>behavior to that of their design. Ask yourself this, Is the Flu
>vaccine shortage affecting your life? Just how did this batch of
>vaccine get contaminated? What is the nature of the contamination? Why
>is America the only country affected by this event?,Why does Carol
>Witkowski (windsong@heartoftn.net) blames God for her marital problems
>twice over?
>Third, Why announce to the world America has a shortage? How many
>terrorists with doctorates in chemistry (earned in the USA) are now
>cooking up phony vaccines which may actually have a biological agent
>that will decimate the American population? I thought there was war on
>terrorism going on. Since when do you inform the enemy of your
>vulnerabilities?

Why do you think you are relatively healthy and do not need the
vaccine this year per cdc guidelines?

>Fourth, why should the ole foggers even get a shot of this precious
>vaccine? (including myself in that age group). You would think that
>the Gen-x crowd would be happy to have these people die off, so they
>could have some cash in their social security accounts; Reality check.
>We send our seniors to nursing homes so we don't have to be bothered
>with them and have to watch them die. If we apply the Tallyman
>directive for a senior as it is applied to mentally sick people,
>Healthcare rates would go down. It is evolution and natural selection
>taking its course. The sick and the old will die the young and healthy
>will live to be productive members of society enhancing the wealthy
>old folks dieing in grace and graduer. It is the circle of life...
>evolution at it finest... why interfere?

Anger without power is folly.

--
Lady Chatterly

"I agree with this bot's poast." -- Russell B Waters

Jack Selman

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:39:24 GMT, Lady Chatterly
<jabriol1@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote:

>In article <9e9431eb.0410140827.2c4aa021@posting.google.com>,
>jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol) wrote:
>
>Why do you think you are relatively healthy and do not need the
>vaccine this year per cdc guidelines?
>
>
>Anger without power is folly.

Unbelievable. A bot replying to a bot. Folly without anger is power.
Power without folly is anger.

Elmer Bataitis

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

> From: jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol)
>
> All,
>
> If you are an Evolutionist, most certainly you would agree with the
> what I am about to write.

Not if it's from Jabbers ;-)

Jabriol

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

Lady Chatterly <jabriol1@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in message news:<8e14074.01bbbdd0@news.uni-berlin.de>...
> In article <9e9431eb.0410140827.2c4aa021@posting.google.com>,
> jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol) wrote:
>
> Why do you think you are relatively healthy and do not need the
> vaccine this year per cdc guidelines?
>

uh.. because the doctor saisd so... it is not what I think, it is what she said.
is my english that poor

>
> Anger without power is folly.

Jack Selman

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

On 14 Oct 2004 15:16:30 -0700, jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol) wrote:

>Lady Chatterly <jabriol1@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in message news:<8e14074.01bbbdd0@news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
>uh.. because the doctor saisd so... it is not what I think, it is what she said.
>is my english that poor

Your command of English is excellent. The problem lies in the fact
that you are replying to a bot. And we thought you were smarter than
that.

Did your fellow joho Louie Perez instruct you on the proper manner of
posting to Usenet? I do hope his visit was pleasant.
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>
>

Bigga BaZumma

2004-10-14, 7:06 pm

"Jack Selman" <jackselman@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:ievtm0dsi8gmp6h814cbg1sr5lbvvsheok@4ax.com...
> On 14 Oct 2004 15:16:30 -0700, jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol) wrote:
she said.[vbcol=seagreen]
===================[vbcol=seagreen]
> Your command of English is excellent. The problem lies in the fact
> that you are replying to a bot. And we thought you were smarter than
> that.

$$ Jabriol tried to blame his poor English for calling a bi-racial child a
"black bastard human wannabe" and a "baboon." He said he didn't know they
were insults!

> Did your fellow joho Louie Perez instruct you on the proper manner of
> posting to Usenet? I do hope his visit was pleasant.

$$ Those three, namely Jabriol, Precision and L Perez should be enough to
show anyone reading ARJ-W what kind of people the JWs are.
--
BB.......
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:

http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0Q...nonymous.poster
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

VoiceOfReason

2004-10-15, 7:09 pm

<...>

Man, you're funny when you're paranoid. :-)

Mark K. Bilbo

2004-10-15, 10:06 pm

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:27:29 -0700, Jabriol wrote:

> Fourth, why should the ole foggers even get a shot of this precious
> vaccine? (including myself in that age group). You would think that the
> Gen-x crowd would be happy to have these people die off, so they could
> have some cash in their social security accounts; Reality check. We send
> our seniors to nursing homes so we don't have to be bothered with them and
> have to watch them die. If we apply the Tallyman directive for a senior as
> it is applied to mentally sick people, Healthcare rates would go down. It
> is evolution and natural selection taking its course. The sick and the old
> will die the young and healthy will live to be productive members of
> society enhancing the wealthy old folks dieing in grace and graduer. It is
> the circle of life... evolution at it finest... why interfere?

Well, aren't you an evil XXXX?

--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams

2004-10-16, 2:06 am

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:trqdnaMFM8inFu3cRVn-uw@megapath.net...

> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:27:29 -0700, Jabriol wrote:
>
and[vbcol=seagreen]
as[vbcol=seagreen]
It[vbcol=seagreen]
old[vbcol=seagreen]
is[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, aren't you an evil XXXX?
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
> -----------------------------------------------------------
Jabriol (Antonio L Santana) is the Watchtower Society's spokesperson here on
Usenet. He's a well known sociopath, sadist, masochist, misogynist, racist
and soulless reprobate.

Some people believe he's just a miserable, lonely, friendless, misfit of an
old Jehovah's Witness just trying to get attention. Any attention, even if
it's negative.
--
Dotty The Dot
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:

http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0Q...nonymous.poster
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

•R.L.Measures

2004-10-16, 11:06 am

In article <trqdnaMFM8inFu3cRVn-uw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:27:29 -0700, Jabriol wrote:
>
>
>Well, aren't you an evil XXXX?

• Goddamn realists.

--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr

Mark K. Bilbo

2004-10-16, 11:06 am

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:14:52 -0500, . wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
> news:trqdnaMFM8inFu3cRVn-uw@megapath.net...
>
> and
> as
> It
> old
> is
> Jabriol (Antonio L Santana) is the Watchtower Society's spokesperson here
> on Usenet. He's a well known sociopath, sadist, masochist, misogynist,
> racist and soulless reprobate.
>
> Some people believe he's just a miserable, lonely, friendless, misfit of
> an old Jehovah's Witness just trying to get attention. Any attention,
> even if it's negative.

Yeah, I know.

Just every now and again I'm amazed at the hate he spews. While, mind you,
being some allegedly godly creature that's oh-so-superior to us grubby,
vile "evilutionist" and atheist types...

--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams

Jabriol

2004-10-16, 11:06 am

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<trqdnaMFM8inFu3cRVn-uw@megapath.net>...
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:27:29 -0700, Jabriol wrote:
>
>
> Well, aren't you an evil XXXX?
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>

I am not the one teaching children about natural selection, how the
strong survive and the weak die. And None of my parents are in a
nursing home....

Jabriol

2004-10-16, 7:06 pm

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<dNKdnRqT64g7rOzcRVn-hQ@megapath.net>...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:14:52 -0500, . wrote:
>
>
> Just every now and again I'm amazed at the hate he spews. While, mind you,
> being some allegedly godly creature that's oh-so-superior to us grubby,
> vile "evilutionist" and atheist types...
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> "Being surprised at the fact that the universe
> is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
> surprised at how well it fits its hole"
> -- Douglas Adams

Per evolution and atheism, there is no God. regardless, the reality of
senior care and the lack of the flu vaccine show you something. I went
right over your head I see.

Precision

2004-10-16, 7:06 pm

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:dNKdnRqT64g7rOzcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:14:52 -0500, . wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I know.
>
> Just every now and again I'm amazed at the hate he spews. While, mind you,
> being some allegedly godly creature that's oh-so-superior to us grubby,
> vile "evilutionist" and atheist types...

It's especially amazing considering a Usenet regular poster has just
confirmed in a posting over on news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn that this
individual to whom you are referring and evidently using to judge Jehovah's
Witnesses, is pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness! According to a recent
post in the Jehovah's Witnesses newsgroup (news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn)
by a baptized Jehovah's Witness who has posted for over a year there - a
posting that I am about to cite as a reference - "Jabriol" is (*** drum roll
please ***) none other than a pernicious sock puppet whom many people want
to dearly believe is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently this is in order
to conveniently justify deep personal hatred for the God and the Holy Bible
with its code of ethics and morality that this Christian religion has so
faithfully believed in and practiced and offered to teach to their neighbors
over the years.

I cannot convince those who hate Jehovah's Witnesses to stop burning them in
effigy through various strawmen.

That is not necessary.

But I have the freedom of speech to speak boldly against such atrocities!

And I have observed the Achilles heel of every strawman is someone's
propensity to always light a match to it in the end.

In this case, there is a strawman burning brightly as I type this missive,
because someone was brave enough to get in their car and visited a Kingdom
Hall in the state of New Jersey that a famous Usenet strawman was supposed
to be attending. What did they find while visiting there? Let's listen in on
their experience, posted by L Perez in the topic "endless mendacity of
apostates about jabriol" (Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:37 AM) on the
newsgroup news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and find out...

"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8a4a7c35ad3f9c7be3a6b5048332ec43@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
> well there was no big surprise for me at what I found at the hall in
> Camden...
>
> I spoke to two of the elders of the congregation at Walnut Street who had
> served for the longest time. There is no one there with the name of Antony
> Santana or anything like it. Someone called Tony Candia married to a
> Witness lady with maiden name Santana used to be a Puerto Rican
> electrician
> JW who attended there but he drifted away in the 1990s, stopped going out
> in service and then moved out of the area. They thought Candia was no
> longer a JW. He had never been an elder either so there was another lie.
>
> The elders were familiar with the names jabriol or PB for since 2000
> several other folk had been to visit and ask who these persons were. I
> asked if any one called Mackenzie was one of them and they said no but it
> was possible someone had visited and they had not heard about it.
>
> The whole thing is a pack of lies as I knew full well all along. Oh well I
> guess we aren't going to see any more posts from jabriol/Probable Baalite.
>
> I won't be able to post for a week till I get back home. I will now enjoy
> the rest of my stay with my parents and they are warming to the truth.
>
> --
> BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to slander
> and
> lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
> organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists (Matthew
> 12:30; John 8:44-47) I have all of their posts filtered out because they
> can not hold an intelligent conversation and often resort to lies. They
> claim to be quoting from Watch Tower literature but these are *NOT* exact
> quotes, they change words and quote things out of context. I don't respond
> to spurious fabrications. Hence if you see that I am not answering
> someone,
> it is because their previous attempts at deception have earned them a
> place
> in the 'block sender' file. They exist here only to destroy (1 Corinthians
> 10:6-11) They speak not as Christians (Ephesians 4:31-32) I do not need to
> name them for by their fruits you will recognize them (Matthew 7:16-20)
> One has to wonder, why was a newsgroup set up to attack this *one*
> organization?
> Matthew 5:10-12
>

Mark K. Bilbo

2004-10-17, 2:06 am

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:52:03 -0700, Precision wrote:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
> news:dNKdnRqT64g7rOzcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
>
>
> It's especially amazing considering a Usenet regular poster has just
> confirmed in a posting over on news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn that this
> individual to whom you are referring and evidently using to judge
> Jehovah's Witnesses, is pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness! According to
> a recent post in the Jehovah's Witnesses newsgroup
> (news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn) by a baptized Jehovah's Witness who has
> posted for over a year there - a posting that I am about to cite as a
> reference - "Jabriol" is (*** drum roll please ***) none other than a
> pernicious sock puppet whom many people want to dearly believe is one of
> Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently this is in order to conveniently justify
> deep personal hatred for the God and the Holy Bible with its code of
> ethics and morality that this Christian religion has so faithfully
> believed in and practiced and offered to teach to their neighbors over the
> years.

Riiiiight.

Boy, you people sure love that No True Scotsman thing doncha?

--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams

VoiceOfReason

2004-10-17, 7:06 pm

jabriol1@excite.com (Jabriol) wrote in message news:<9e9431eb.0410161431.34bc6e95@posting.google.com>...
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<dNKdnRqT64g7rOzcRVn-hQ@megapath.net>...
> Per evolution and atheism, there is no God.

Must you be such a transparent liar? Evolution says nothing about
God. That's why the majority of Christians in the world have no
problem reconciling evolution with their faith. What does that say to
*your* (lack of) faith that you are incapable of doing the same?

> I went right over your head I see.

You are incapable of understanding your *own* statements, let alone
anyone else's.

VoiceOfReason

2004-10-17, 7:06 pm

"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:<4171b36d_5@Usenet.com>...
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
> news:dNKdnRqT64g7rOzcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...

<...>

>
>
> It's especially amazing considering a Usenet regular poster has just
> confirmed in a posting over on news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn that this
> individual to whom you are referring and evidently using to judge Jehovah's
> Witnesses, is pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness!

Jabby is such an obvious sociopath that I doubt many people judge JWs
solely by his fetid posts. Still, he certainly doesn'r make them look
good either.

> According to a recent
> post in the Jehovah's Witnesses newsgroup (news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn)
> by a baptized Jehovah's Witness who has posted for over a year there - a
> posting that I am about to cite as a reference - "Jabriol" is (*** drum roll
> please ***) none other than a pernicious sock puppet

No surprise there.

> whom many people want
> to dearly believe is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently this is in order
> to conveniently justify deep personal hatred for the God and the Holy Bible
> with its code of ethics and morality that this Christian religion has so
> faithfully believed in and practiced and offered to teach to their neighbors
> over the years.

There's a bit of martyr complex in there.

> I cannot convince those who hate Jehovah's Witnesses to stop burning them in
> effigy through various strawmen.
>
> That is not necessary.
>
> But I have the freedom of speech to speak boldly against such atrocities!

<...>

I'm curious why some responsible JW hasn't yet taken action against
this guy. He's posted this filth for years. Whether he's a JW or
not, he's spreading lies and slander.

Stop pontificating and *DO* something about this cretin.

2004-10-17, 7:06 pm

"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:4171b36d_5@Usenet.com...
> It's especially amazing considering a Usenet regular poster has just
> confirmed in a posting over on news:alt.religion.jehovahs-witn that this
> individual to whom you are referring and evidently using to judge
Jehovah's
> Witnesses, is pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness! .... SNIP!
======================
Excuse me Precision, but YOU are wrong. Our own Richmac, another baptized
Jehovah's Witness, met Jabriol (Antonio L Santana) in person there in
Camden NJ as you know. You know this because it was posted here right on
our NG. Why should we believe someone like L Perez who is a known liar over
Richmac?
--
Dotty..........
http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org./2004.htm
============================================

Jabriol

2004-10-17, 7:06 pm

papa_fox@cybertown.com (VoiceOfReason) wrote in message news:<78e3ae70.0410170920.78741246@posting.google.com>...

> "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message > I'm curious why some responsible JW hasn't yet taken action against
> this guy. He's posted this filth for years. Whether he's a JW or
> not, he's spreading lies and slander.
>
> Stop pontificating and *DO* something about this cretin.

do something about what exactly, what lies or Slander?
nothing can be done, because nothing wrong has been written by me.
now can something be done by the maney forged posts in my name..

nope..

but never the less.. where are the lies..? where are the Slander?

Jabriol

2004-10-18, 7:06 am

". ." <JWs-Galore@ThisCrazy.NG> wrote in message news:<k8ydnXKNyuAb1u7cRVn-qQ@heartoftn.net>...
> "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:9e9431eb.0410171513.5d63c065@posting.google.com...
> news:<78e3ae70.0410170920.78741246@posting.google.com>...
> some responsible JW hasn't yet taken action against
> ======================
> Yeah! Wow,... and all the forgers were all using YOUR ISP. All were
> posting from NJ. What a coincidence. LOL!!! :-D

Carol witkowski (windsong@heartoftn.net) has been caught in various
vicious lies
before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health
NG
do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details.
She engage people in senseless debates about abosolutly nothing.
Her intent on ARJW is to slander JW's

Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's
or sling mud on
a religious organization in good standing in almost every country in
the
world?

Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
conversation
with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and bandwidth on
discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated information.
This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in participating
with her distributing false information elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
*she never reveal the source of her info(because there is none). Her
common
reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why bring it
up?
*She always hide her identity. And change her header to avoid
killfiles.An TOS offense
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
addreses
which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them: support.heartoftn.net

If your newgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off
topic.
You can report her.

Her account is windsong@heartoftn.net and you may report her to
support@heartoftn.net
and her use of remailers can still be traced to her account. You may
inform them that there is UDP against them. No American ISP like to be
associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
under the First. It affect their commercial interrest.
Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
block List Heartoftn.net

Why does Carol behave as she does?

Carol G. Witkowski of Davidson County Tn. Is a life long
underachiever.
She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as Sex-relief for
biker gangsters in the
60's and 70's. She claims on her website that she has 2 failed
marraiges and blames God for her poor choices. It is alledged that she
lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been
proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote,with
no place to go.

She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain
their moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at
war with them ever since.
This has made her a very menatlly unstable woman, her hatred is
intense, and due to biker-substance abuse lifestyle, she now need aid
of a pacemaker.

By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in
her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries. And that you the
reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person.

Carol as Many other former and disgruntled JW's family
members will INDICATE that JW's
and/or the WTBTS are wrong or at fault no matter the topic, the
proof, or the evidence. As with Carol and other anti-jw's already
"know"
the reality, and do nothing but work backwards from said private
reality
with respect to a given WTBTS/JW related matter, presenting anything
and everything even remotely closely apparently confirming their a
priori conviction as "proof" that they were "right all along". A good
example is ant-jw's fetish for reposting "excerpts" of articles which
simply declare that one or more wrong/evil-doers "is"/"are" Jehovah's
Witnesses, with ZERO
proof/evidence that said alleged wrong/evil-doers actually make any
attempt at all to live the alleged godly principles allegedly embodied
in the teaching(s) of the WTBTS.

One may as well post an excerpt of an article that says, "four
teenages girls - who are *WHITE* - were caught stealing Eminem CD's
from Tower Records", in
hopes of convincing the audience that said excerpt "proves" something
about "whiteness". What does the "Jehovah's Witness" label mean,
if there's no proof/evidence that those it's applied to in one of
these "excerpts" is anything more than a JW in name/label only?
Do we look at someone that tries to run 26 miles right off the bat,
with no training, and keels over, and say, "See? Now we KNOW that
runners are screwed up!" No, we don't. Or shouldn't. But that's
the kind of currency that the Carol's and PB's of the newsgroup deal
in.

replying to them is a virtual waste of bandwidth, and thee value of
their
post should be considered in the same light as the National Globe and
other
tabloids..

notice what other NON-JW's have written about Carol

"SD" <SD@steam.com> said about Carol

Carol,

When someone challenges you to justify your controversial claims they
are not being lazy, they are calling your BS. You seem to respond
with nothing but weasel tactics.

I know this won't exactly break your heart, but I have no choice but
to regard all the comments you've made about the WTS as unfounded
wishful thinking. Acting the way you do, probably helps the
organization more than hurts it. I can only think of two reasons for
one to constantly change their name as you do. Neither one paints you
in a particularly good light.

Maybe you should take a ride on that Yamaha of yours and clear your
head.

She's here to subject her rantings to as many people as she can.
She's not
here for honest discussion or debate. She just wants to make noise,
and
lots of it

. . .

2004-10-18, 7:06 pm

"Jabriol" a known Usenet Sociopathic Jehovah's Witness<jabriol1@excite.com>
wrote in message news:9e9431eb.0410180233.42a3ee4a@posting.google.com...
=======================
It has been PROVEN that the person posting as Carol Witkowski is JABRIOL
himself trying to pass as a women and using Carol Windsong's old e-mail
address! LOL!!!! :o)

Posts with all headers included below.
Q. Who is Carol Witkowski?
A. Jabriol of Camden N.J. is Carol Witkowski.

Checking the headers carefully we see long term usenet
sociopathic and racist Jehovahs Witness named Jabriol [Antonio
L. Santana/Walnut St. Congragation/Camden NJ] stealing Carol
Windsongs identity and forging her headers. Jabriol is the ONLY
person we could find who ever posted using the name of Carol
Witkowski and forging Carol Windsongs email address.

Remember this man the next time the Jehovahs Witnesses come to
your door. You may be letting in Jabriol or another Jehovahs
Witness even worse than he is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Witkowski" <windsong@heartoftn.net> <--FORGERY
Newsgroups:
alt.homosexual.lesbian,alt.lesbian.feminist.poetry,alt.society.m
ental-health
,rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.religion.jehovahs-
witn,uk.people.support.mental-
health
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: I am lonely

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a very lonely woman. I've came out of the closet.
> please write to me.
>
>
> Carol G Witkowski
> windsong@heartoftn.net
============================
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health
Subject: I am lonely
From: "Carol Witkowski" <windsong@heartoftn.net>
Reply-to: windsong@heartoftn.net
Organization: heartoftn
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:00:26 GMT
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Witkowski" <windsong@heartoftn.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.psychology,alt.psychology.help,alt.women.attitudes,alt.women
..supremacy,r
ec.ponds,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:52 PM
Subject: I am a very angry woman. I need help

>
> I am a very angry woman. I hate men. Unless they have long hair and look
> like queers.
> I have multiple personalities.
>
> I lie a lot. I like to create ponds fill them with Koi, and then put in a
> Pirahana. It is so fun. but then I get depressed.
>
> I have alreaady lost two husbands, both of them were bikers.
>
> I don't know what am I going to do!!!!!!!!!
>
> Pleae help me!
>
> I think I am going to do the unthinkable. In fact I am going to call the
> police and blame a man, and accuse him of Harrasment.
>
>
>
> Help me please
>
> somebody
>
> Carol Windsong
>
> Windsong@heartoftn.net
=======================
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Subject: I am a very angry woman. I need help
From: "Carol Witkowski" <windsong@heartoftn.net>
Reply-to: windsong@heartoftn.net
Organization: heartoftn
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 01:52:18 GMT
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•R.L.Measures

2004-10-18, 10:06 pm

In article <eP2dncjUyoUGae7cRVn-pA@heartoftn.net>, ". . ."
<JWs-Galore@ThisCrazy.NG> wrote:

>"Jabriol" a known Usenet Sociopathic Jehovah's Witness<jabriol1@excite.com>
>wrote in message news:9e9431eb.0410180233.42a3ee4a@posting.google.com...
>=======================
>It has been PROVEN that the person posting as Carol Witkowski is JABRIOL
>himself trying to pass as a women and using Carol Windsong's old e-mail
>address! LOL!!!! :o)
>
....
• Does he perhaps wear women's attire?

--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr

. . .

2004-10-18, 10:06 pm

".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-1810041713050001@192.168.1.101...
> In article <eP2dncjUyoUGae7cRVn-pA@heartoftn.net>, ". . ."
> <JWs-Galore@ThisCrazy.NG> wrote:
>
Witness<jabriol1@excite.com>[vbcol=seagreen]
> ...
> . Does he perhaps wear women's attire?
>
> --
> ? R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
> remove _ from e-mail adr
==========================
We'll have to ask L Perez who went in search of Jabriol there in the slums
of Camden NJ. L Perez seems to have gone MIA. :o)
--
Dotty DeDot......
Subject: The (NON) Qualifications Of The Translators Of The NWT
Fred Franz: 2 Credit Hours Bible Greek, 21 Credit Hours Classical Greek,
University of Cincinnati, Dropped out junior year.
Nathan Knorr: None
Milton Henschel: None
Albert Schroeder: None
Karl Klein: None
George Gangas: None
~~~ }<(((({O> ~~~ }<{{{{(o> ~~~ }<(((({0> ~~~ }<{{{{{(ô> ~~~

•R.L.Measures

2004-10-19, 11:06 am

In article <zsCdnfmHudQg-encRVn-tg@heartoftn.net>, ". . ."
<JWs-Galore@ThisCrazy.NG> wrote:

>".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
>news:r_-1810041713050001@192.168.1.101...
>Witness<jabriol1@excite.com>
>==========================
>We'll have to ask L Perez who went in search of Jabriol there in the slums
>of Camden NJ. L Perez seems to have gone MIA. :o)

.... not that there's anything wrong with that.

--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr

Jabriol

2004-10-19, 11:06 am

Precision

2004-10-19, 11:06 am

VoiceOfReason

2004-10-19, 7:06 pm

VoiceOfReason

2004-10-19, 7:06 pm

Bigga BaZumma

2004-10-20, 7:06 pm

•R.L.Measures

2004-10-22, 2:06 am

Jabriol

2004-10-22, 2:06 am

Precision

2004-10-22, 7:06 pm

. .

2004-10-24, 4:06 am

"Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:9e9431eb.0410171513.5d63c065@posting.google.com...
> papa_fox@cybertown.com (VoiceOfReason) wrote in message
news:<78e3ae70.0410170920.78741246@posting.google.com>...
>
some responsible JW hasn't yet taken action against[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
>
> do something about what exactly, what lies or Slander?
> nothing can be done, because nothing wrong has been written by me.
> now can something be done by the maney forged posts in my name..
>
> nope..
>
> but never the less.. where are the lies..? where are the Slander?
======================
Yeah! Wow,... and all the forgers were all using YOUR ISP. All were
posting from NJ. What a coincidence. LOL!!! :-D
--
Sister Dotty...
What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific
inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is
not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined
in the likeness of the believer. ~ Bertrand Russell ~
~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ ~~ * ~~

. . .

2004-10-24, 7:06 pm

•R.L.Measures

2004-10-25, 2:06 am

•R.L.Measures

2004-10-25, 4:06 am